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		<title>By: Mark Tyson</title>
		<link>http://modeledbehavior.com/2012/05/14/how-we-get-to-self-driving-cars-ctd/#comment-27430</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Tyson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 13:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The obvious first movers in this to me would be trucking industries. They could a) avoid driver costs &amp; b) remove the &#039;drive time&#039; limitations on truckers. A truck could be on the move 24 hrs a day without any drivers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The obvious first movers in this to me would be trucking industries. They could a) avoid driver costs &amp; b) remove the &#8216;drive time&#8217; limitations on truckers. A truck could be on the move 24 hrs a day without any drivers.</p>
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		<title>By: jlwade99</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 13:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With individual car-rentals coming online now (getaround.com, etc), I can certainly see privately-owned self-driving vehicles becoming a business model to rival city buses and taxis. Think Car2Go but self-driving. 

The insurance issue seems to be the main hurdle. Insurance companies are good at lobbying and won&#039;t be happy to have a profit/revenue stream dry-up due to shifting accident statistics. Perhaps insurance corporations just bring out my cynical side.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With individual car-rentals coming online now (getaround.com, etc), I can certainly see privately-owned self-driving vehicles becoming a business model to rival city buses and taxis. Think Car2Go but self-driving. </p>
<p>The insurance issue seems to be the main hurdle. Insurance companies are good at lobbying and won&#8217;t be happy to have a profit/revenue stream dry-up due to shifting accident statistics. Perhaps insurance corporations just bring out my cynical side.</p>
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		<title>By: Moving Towards Self-Driving Cars &#171; Blog of Rivals</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Moving Towards Self-Driving Cars &#171; Blog of Rivals]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 12:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Adam Ozimek at Modeled Behavior thinks that self-driving cars will be are being adopted incrementall.... I think the problem people have imagining a world of self-driving cars is they imagine it happening overnight. Yes, if a self-driving car showed up at your house tomorrow it would be a little nerve-racking to turn over control to a computer. But the progress will be relatively incremental, and we will give up control one piece at a time. In fact, this is already underway.  Share this:EmailTwitterFacebookLike this:LikeBe the first to like this post.   &#9654; No Responses   /* 0) { jQuery(&#039;#comments&#039;).show(&#039;&#039;, change_location()); jQuery(&#039;#showcomments a .closed&#039;).css(&#039;display&#039;, &#039;none&#039;); jQuery(&#039;#showcomments a .open&#039;).css(&#039;display&#039;, &#039;inline&#039;); return true; } else { jQuery(&#039;#comments&#039;).hide(&#039;&#039;); jQuery(&#039;#showcomments a .closed&#039;).css(&#039;display&#039;, &#039;inline&#039;); jQuery(&#039;#showcomments a .open&#039;).css(&#039;display&#039;, &#039;none&#039;); return false; } } jQuery(&#039;#showcomments a&#039;).click(function(){ if(jQuery(&#039;#comments&#039;).css(&#039;display&#039;) == &#039;none&#039;) { self.location.href = &#039;#comments&#039;; check_location(); } else { check_location(&#039;hide&#039;); } }); function change_location() { self.location.href = &#039;#comments&#039;; } }); /* ]]&gt; */ [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Adam Ozimek at Modeled Behavior thinks that self-driving cars will be are being adopted incrementall&#8230;. I think the problem people have imagining a world of self-driving cars is they imagine it happening overnight. Yes, if a self-driving car showed up at your house tomorrow it would be a little nerve-racking to turn over control to a computer. But the progress will be relatively incremental, and we will give up control one piece at a time. In fact, this is already underway.  Share this:EmailTwitterFacebookLike this:LikeBe the first to like this post.   &#9654; No Responses   /* 0) { jQuery(&#039;#comments&#039;).show(&#039;&#039;, change_location()); jQuery(&#039;#showcomments a .closed&#039;).css(&#039;display&#039;, &#039;none&#039;); jQuery(&#039;#showcomments a .open&#039;).css(&#039;display&#039;, &#039;inline&#039;); return true; } else { jQuery(&#039;#comments&#039;).hide(&#039;&#039;); jQuery(&#039;#showcomments a .closed&#039;).css(&#039;display&#039;, &#039;inline&#039;); jQuery(&#039;#showcomments a .open&#039;).css(&#039;display&#039;, &#039;none&#039;); return false; } } jQuery(&#039;#showcomments a&#039;).click(function(){ if(jQuery(&#039;#comments&#039;).css(&#039;display&#039;) == &#039;none&#039;) { self.location.href = &#039;#comments&#039;; check_location(); } else { check_location(&#039;hide&#039;); } }); function change_location() { self.location.href = &#039;#comments&#039;; } }); /* ]]&gt; */ [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Assorted Links &#171; azmytheconomics</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 18:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] 4. How we get to self driving cars [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 4. How we get to self driving cars [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Manheim</title>
		<link>http://modeledbehavior.com/2012/05/14/how-we-get-to-self-driving-cars-ctd/#comment-27411</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Manheim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 16:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Liability will be a huge issue, but I suspect only at first. Car manufacturers, or someone similarly incentivized, will provide deeply discounted insurance to drivers of these cars, since they get into many fewer crashes. This will happen either through deals with insurers, or acquisitions.

Imagine paying the extra $10k up front for the car, with a guaranteed savings on insurance of $500/year, and drastically reduced gas costs (I cant&#039; imagine less than a 10% average improvement) since the car will optimize for efficiency. Oh, and never needing to drive yourself!

I&#039;d guess that this will be a luxury feature at first,  so that the companies that roll it out first could be the high-end market, which will allow for time to reduce costs. As tech prices drop, the market becomes used to them, and the advantages become clear, it will become standard within 10 years of introduction.

I also suspect that the regulatory portion will be strict, uneven, and handled by the states, at least at first, until the car manufacturers see that it is costing them money. Then things will change as it becomes widespread, and seen to be unnecessary.

Lastly, I expect car ownership to dissapear as a touchstone. Fractional ownership will be cheaper, and just as good. Why buy when you can have a car on demand, driving itself to pick you up, and only pay for usage. Driveless taxis, and seamless carpooling will hopefully follow soon after - Think door-to-door subways without tracks, for less than the price of a bus ride - no overhead  for drivers, and less capital intensive networks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liability will be a huge issue, but I suspect only at first. Car manufacturers, or someone similarly incentivized, will provide deeply discounted insurance to drivers of these cars, since they get into many fewer crashes. This will happen either through deals with insurers, or acquisitions.</p>
<p>Imagine paying the extra $10k up front for the car, with a guaranteed savings on insurance of $500/year, and drastically reduced gas costs (I cant&#8217; imagine less than a 10% average improvement) since the car will optimize for efficiency. Oh, and never needing to drive yourself!</p>
<p>I&#8217;d guess that this will be a luxury feature at first,  so that the companies that roll it out first could be the high-end market, which will allow for time to reduce costs. As tech prices drop, the market becomes used to them, and the advantages become clear, it will become standard within 10 years of introduction.</p>
<p>I also suspect that the regulatory portion will be strict, uneven, and handled by the states, at least at first, until the car manufacturers see that it is costing them money. Then things will change as it becomes widespread, and seen to be unnecessary.</p>
<p>Lastly, I expect car ownership to dissapear as a touchstone. Fractional ownership will be cheaper, and just as good. Why buy when you can have a car on demand, driving itself to pick you up, and only pay for usage. Driveless taxis, and seamless carpooling will hopefully follow soon after &#8211; Think door-to-door subways without tracks, for less than the price of a bus ride &#8211; no overhead  for drivers, and less capital intensive networks.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Godofsky</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex Godofsky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 14:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But if the car were self-driving you could just tell it to go get inspected by itself!  That&#039;s kind of spooky/awesome.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But if the car were self-driving you could just tell it to go get inspected by itself!  That&#8217;s kind of spooky/awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: abc123</title>
		<link>http://modeledbehavior.com/2012/05/14/how-we-get-to-self-driving-cars-ctd/#comment-27396</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 01:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think liability will be the big issue. As long as people are ultimately in command, most of the liability from crashes will fall to the driver and their insurance company, rather than the car company. This, rather than technological adaption, is what I think will ultimately hold everything up. I mean, there must certainly be a fairly large number of people who would pay a lot extra to not have to drive their cars, especially for mundane commutes, or sitting in traffic.

Also, I think that self driving cars will come with a stricter regulatory regime, a la the airline industry. Today&#039;s airliners can perform hands off flights to zero visibility landings and roll outs if they&#039;re properly equipped, but there are also fairly strict regulations about how often the equipment must be checked, its ability to self detect faults, and other things, as well as mandatory recurrent training. I don&#039;t think this would fly with most people, because it would be too inconvenient, nor would it be necessary (you&#039;re not flying 400 people at 150 knots into the ground). Nonetheless, I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if they mandated that some things could only be inspected by federally licensed mechanics, and these parts would have to inspected every 1000 hours/ 25,000 miles, something like that. It would also curtail the ability of people to modify their cars with lift kits, turbos, etc, because of the changes to vehicle dynamics, I would think.

Nonetheless, I think it would be an awesome step forward.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think liability will be the big issue. As long as people are ultimately in command, most of the liability from crashes will fall to the driver and their insurance company, rather than the car company. This, rather than technological adaption, is what I think will ultimately hold everything up. I mean, there must certainly be a fairly large number of people who would pay a lot extra to not have to drive their cars, especially for mundane commutes, or sitting in traffic.</p>
<p>Also, I think that self driving cars will come with a stricter regulatory regime, a la the airline industry. Today&#8217;s airliners can perform hands off flights to zero visibility landings and roll outs if they&#8217;re properly equipped, but there are also fairly strict regulations about how often the equipment must be checked, its ability to self detect faults, and other things, as well as mandatory recurrent training. I don&#8217;t think this would fly with most people, because it would be too inconvenient, nor would it be necessary (you&#8217;re not flying 400 people at 150 knots into the ground). Nonetheless, I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if they mandated that some things could only be inspected by federally licensed mechanics, and these parts would have to inspected every 1000 hours/ 25,000 miles, something like that. It would also curtail the ability of people to modify their cars with lift kits, turbos, etc, because of the changes to vehicle dynamics, I would think.</p>
<p>Nonetheless, I think it would be an awesome step forward.</p>
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