Dean Baker dismisses them
In fact, measured productivity numbers are unlikely to pick up the full gains that may be associated with lower populations. Large populations and crowding put enormous stress on the environment. Imagine having commuting times cut in half, if smaller populations eliminated rush-hour congestion. This would not be picked up in productivity measures.
Similarly, increased access to desirable locations, such as lower prices for waterfront property, would not be picked up by conventional measures of productivity. And, of course, the reduced pollution, including lower levels of greenhouse gas emissions, would also not be picked up in standard measures of productivity.
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In short, there is no demographic problem facing wealthy countries. The only problem is that people with poor math skills and imperialistic designs hold positions of influence and power.
The problem of flat population growth is more serious than Dean imagines.
Folks concentrate on the problems associated with the Welfare States but ironically that is simply because the Welfare State has better accounting practices.
The core problem is that folks want to transfer good and services into the future. This is a fundamentally difficult thing to do.
However, one trick is to construct buildings and then to rent those buildings out to future generations. This is what the vast majority of the capital stock in America is devoted to.
However, in a world where population is declining this trick will no longer work.
What that means is that the real interest rate that establishes full employment can easily go negative in times of stress. This confuses policy makers who are so ingrained that savings ought to pay, because that’s how we get more wealth.
In truth savings can just as easily be a socially costly endeavor as a socially profitable one. There is nothing written into the laws of the universe that say it should be one way or the other.
Nor will productivity growth alone do it. Even in the best of times the productivity growth ‘spread” is small and can be overwhelmed by risk spreads, as no one actually knows ahead of time what investments will be complimentary to productivity growth.
The surer thing is per capita depreciation, since its much more likely that in the future people will continue to at least have some affinity for the things they wanted in the past. However, when the per capita part goes away all you have left is the depreciation part and for a huge portion of the capital stock, that rate is quite low.

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Tuesday ~ March 13th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
MMM
That’s an interesting point I hadn’t really thought about before. My mental model used to be:
High population growth leads to problems with pollution, crowding, lots of resources going to non-productive members of the population (ie, children), and possibly large populations of disaffected youth. This contributes to difficulties in developing countries getting out of the poverty… perhaps this explains China’s desire for the one-child policy, but India may be a counterexample of a high-population growth poor country that is still improving.
Moderate population growth also leads to some pollution and crowding problems, but aids individual nations in competition for resource with other countries, and is the model that human history is used to.
Moderate population decline is a problem because of abandonment of residences, inability to fully staff existing industrial facilities, and lots of resources going to non-productive members of the population (ie, retired elderly).
And I always wondered how easily human society could deal with a long-term stable population, which, in my opinion, should be a long-term goal (assuming we don’t figure out some way to expand into outer space) (what the ideal level of the long-term stable population would be is another question… but it doesn’t seem sustainable with a finite earth to have a population which grows forever, and because I like humanity, I don’t want to see population shrink forever either).
-MMM
Tuesday ~ March 13th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Lord
I think there is some reverse causality here. Gains aren’t bad because flat population growth but flat population growth is because the gains aren’t there. If we were all becoming wealthier by every measure and could afford more of everything, we would have more children because they would be less of a burden, but up against resource and wealth constraints, more children present an economic burden for both us and them so we have fewer. It is a serious macroeconomic concern, but the concern is macroeconomic and flat population growth is just the symptom.
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