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People who read economics blogs live in a sort of bubble, where there is widespread understanding of the failure of monetary policy. But out in the real world things are very different. Ever since NGDP collapsed in 2008, the profession has largely ignored monetary policy. In the previous post I pointed out that our profession was to blame for the severe recession. Every day that goes by brings more and more evidence supporting that sad conclusion.
The bubble is getting thicker by the day. This morning I was walking a dog and my podcast player qued Bill Gross’s Feb, investment outlook. I remember reading it at the time and finding it confused, but in a well-I-think-you-are-just-missing-this-one-thing sort of way.
I listened to it today and simply could not believe what I was hearing.
The most awesome – in the original meaning of the word – part:
What perhaps is not so often recognized is that liquidity can be trapped by the “price” of credit, in addition to its “risk.” Capitalism depends on risk-taking in several forms. Developers, homeowners, entrepreneurs of all shapes and sizes epitomize the riskiness of business building via equity and credit risk extension. But modern capitalism is dependent as well on maturity extension in credit markets. No venture, aside from one financed with 100% owners’ capital, could survive on credit or loans that matured or were callable overnight. Buildings, utilities and homes require 20- and 30-year loan commitments to smooth and justify their returns. Because this is so, lenders require a yield premium, expressed as a positively sloped yield curve, to make the extended loan. A flat yield curve, in contrast, is a disincentive for lenders to lend unless there is sufficient downside room for yields to fall and provide bond market capital gains. This nominal or even real interest rate “margin” is why prior cyclical periods of curve flatness or even inversion have been successfully followed by economic expansions. Intermediate and long rates – even though flat and equal to a short-term policy rate – have had room to fall, and credit therefore has not been trapped by “price.”
Which is akin to saying, “No wonder no one shops here. Everything is on sale!”
I am not even sure where to start.
But, maybe this will help. So, presumably Bill Gross is not saying that no private investor holds long dated securities. If so, then someone is willing to buy them at almost no yield. Which means someone could sell more of them at almost no yield plus a tiny amount.
Which means that you could fund a 30 year project on the cheap.
Superfluousness notwithstanding, prices are low because more people want to save than to lend. It is not that more people wish to save than to lend because prices are low.
All that having been said, I do appreciate Gross’s attempt to weave both elegant prose and metaphysical considerations into financial analysis.

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Tuesday ~ February 21st, 2012 at 1:58 am
Will Wilkinson (@willwilkinson)
Walking some dog or other…
Tuesday ~ February 21st, 2012 at 8:09 am
jpersonna
“So, presumably Bill Gross is not saying that no private investor holds [newly issued] long dated securities.” ?? I certainly hold none.
Tuesday ~ February 21st, 2012 at 10:32 am
Leigh Caldwell
He’s also not saying that ALL private investors hold them. Does Karl need to do a post on that logical fallacy too?
Tuesday ~ February 21st, 2012 at 10:42 am
Curt Doolittle
Karl,
I think you’re not accounting for time. And assuming greater fluidity than exists. And I think Bill is simply using entrepreneurial language (the language of particulars necessary for action on opportunities) instead of the language of economics (the language of observable aggregates necessary for policy).
The Austrian criticism is similar: the presence of variable production cycles, and the constant disruption to them caused by increases in uncertainty, and the ‘recalculation’ of new means of production in order to adapt to changes. Think of this as the phase 1 of business adaptation to shocks due to the realization that an opportunity has been fully exploited.
That process persists only as long as there is sufficient local capital and the knowledge to employ it competitively against external groups doing the same. Afterward no opportunity exists and everyone must search for new opportunities to exploit, and then develop a patter of sustainable specialization and trade in support of that opportunity: which takes time. Think of this as the phase 2 of business adaptation to shocks due to the realization that an opportunity has been fully exploited.
Over time, capital (opportunity, patterns of sustainable specialization and trade) is destroyed by this devolution, so is knowledge, and so are the opportunities in an implastic human life. While there is value to the concentration and redistribution of capital, no matter what, some forms of capital are destroyed in this process and there is no guarantee that the process will rise like a phoenix – especially if trade routes move in the process. Think of this as phase 3 of business adaptation.
The bond market, the stock markets are artificially liquid. They are information systems. They are not, and the data from them is not, reflective of a production cycle. They obscure it.
There are currently people out there doing deals. They are buying the few quality assets cheaply. Very large companies still have money. But we have had a lot of capital destruction in the middle layer, and our most important capital: human capital, contains a generation of ‘useless and untrainable’ labor that has missed its window. And who is going to be a permanent political problem.
Or to counter your closing statement: it is entirely possible to create a market where nothing is worth buying — at least for a long enough time that everyone leaves the market. Rome went down to what, a few thousand people?
Tuesday ~ February 21st, 2012 at 4:22 pm
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