I don’t expect Paul to respond but I want to continue to press the point because it seems so obvious to me but is so utterly absent from the conversation.
Paul says
I view the primary race through the lens of the FOF theory — that’s for “fools and frauds”. It goes as follows: to be a good Republican right now, you have to affirm your belief in things that any halfway intelligent politician can see are plainly false. This leaves room for only two kinds of candidates: those who just aren’t smart and/or rational enough to understand the problem, and those who are completely cynical, willing to say anything to get ahead.
Why is this cynical rather than selfless?
Something will come to pass. Someone will be elected President of the United States.
If you had the choice to make sure that person was not a “fool” should you not Say Anything to make it happen. Is the personal integrity of one individual worth risking the most powerful executive position in the world?
When the primary season started there was strong reason to believe that in 2013 the world would face a slew of challenges not least of which was continued stagnation in the US, Europe and Japan.
Stagnation exacerbated by foolish not fraudulent policy.
If that matters should one not do whatever he or she can to stop it?

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Wednesday ~ January 18th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
dieswaytoofastMahesh Paolini-Subramanya
To be exceedingly trite – could this argument not be used to justify *anything*?
Thursday ~ January 19th, 2012 at 1:52 am
anon
Exactly.
Karl is right in principle but wrong in practice:
- do you really believe that a person, who spent most of his adult life allocating resources worth a quartet of billion dollars to himself, firing people and probably enjoying it at one of the less scrupulous vulture firms in the country, has a sudden change of heart and acts selflessly?
- assuming secret motives that belie all observable evidence is typically the least probable result. Nixon was not a hippie at heart, Reagan was not a cryptp-communist, Clinton is not virgin and Romney is probably the cynical businessman who has no problems with deceit and taking advantage of others.
Saturday ~ January 21st, 2012 at 11:40 am
Lord
Apparently a lot of conservative economists feel the same way with respect to economics.
Wednesday ~ January 18th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
Joe
Only if your arrogance is such that you believe that you can clearly see things that you couldn’t convince others of with an honest argument. perhaps Romney falls into that category. perhaps you do as well.
Wednesday ~ January 18th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
Greg Frayser (@GregFrayser)
But isn’t that just saying the ends justify the means? I still have a problem with someone who is so lacking in integrity (or shame) that they become frauds for supposedly honorable reasons.
“We are what we pretend to be . . . so we must be careful what we pretend to be.” – Kurt Vonnegut, from “Mother Night”
Wednesday ~ January 18th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
Patrick
This position of course only holds if there is no penalty for lying. (it also assumes that things you say to get elected can’t constrain your options in office, but let’s set that aside) This is more or less true now, but Krugman’s post is an attempt to impose such a cost on Romney.
Strategically it makes sense to impose a lie penalty globally if you genuinely believe the truth favors you more often than it hurts you.
Wednesday ~ January 18th, 2012 at 10:19 pm
GabbyD
“If you had the choice to make sure that person was not a “fool” should you not Say Anything to make it happen. Is the personal integrity of one individual worth risking the most powerful executive position in the world?”
the implicit assumption is that the democratic party has neither fools nor frauds.
if you want to run without being either, you may move to another party.
this is a criticism on the republican party.
Wednesday ~ January 18th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
Russ Abbott
You wrote, “should one not do whatever he or she can to stop it?”
The answer, of course, is yes, one should. The best way to do it is to do what Krugman does, namely speak the truth. Doing so would be even more powerful when it comes from a Republican. He might actually turn his party around. And if he doesn’t he should support the Democrat. Perhaps that would turn the party around — or finish it off forever and leave room for a sane party.
Thursday ~ January 19th, 2012 at 2:00 am
Soho
I’ve never understood how anyone could listen to Romney speak even one complete sentence without getting the sense that he is pandering to his audience. His past policy views aside, he’s just not a sufficiently amicable and talented liar to convince me he’s anything other than a cynic.
Thursday ~ January 19th, 2012 at 2:29 am
ABC
There is nothing selfless about lying to further one’s own interests.
It’s not as if we know that Romney would govern more sanely than he campaigns.
In a similar vein, his fraudulent campaign rhetoric carries with it the risk of electing more fools (or in the common vernacular, tea baggers) to Congress.
Under that scenario, even if he tried to govern sanely, his freedom to act could be severely constrained by the Congress that he helped to elect.
So saying anything in order to stop a fool could cause a fraud to govern like a fool.
Thursday ~ January 19th, 2012 at 3:13 am
Jason Thomas
little surprised anyone commented on this one…
I like some of the things Karl writes about, but this rather contradicts the last Krugman jab he made.
Karl, You have interesting things to say within your AOE. Krugman is better off focusing on his AEO, as well, for sure. He’s just not a national policy guy for a reason. But he has an NYT OP-ED space and you don’t. Wan’t one of your own? Justify your tenure and focus on finxing NC’s unemployment rate through policy suggestions…then you can play with the adults.
Thursday ~ January 19th, 2012 at 3:20 am
Daniel
You’re right that Romney likely believes himself selfless; but we don’t pardon murderers because they think their victims deserved death, and we don’t trust liars because they think we deserve to be lied to.
A powerful man who’s convinced he’s specially altruistic is more dangerous, not less, than one who thinks himself selfish. The “I’m an altruist!” man, the self-fraud, has fewer checks on his behavior; he need never feel guilt or doubt.
Worse, history suggests that powerful men easily convince themselves their continued power is itself a vital interest of everybody else.
So it doesn’t matter whether Romney is lying to everybody for what he thinks is his own benefit or for what he thinks is our benefit: whichever it is, it shows he’s comfortable with a complete embrace of lying as a route to power. This is a slightly unnerving habit to have in a potential future President of the United States.
Thursday ~ January 19th, 2012 at 9:05 am
Mark
If his intentions were truly selfless, Romney could help fix the economy _now_, without even becoming president first. He could simply say “my Republican colleagues are responsible for the foolish policy that is greatly contributing to the slow recovery.” That would be selfless and truthful — win-win!
Perhaps he disagrees that the Republicans are responsible. Then he should make that argument on its merits, and thereby convince voters that his policies would be better. Since he is not making that argument (he is merely asserting), I conclude that he knows it is a loser.
I don’t claim to know the guy’s motivation, but my opinion is that he’s not running for president out of selflessness or a belief that he’s got answers to our national problems. He’s running because he firmly believes Mitt Romney deserves to be president.
Thursday ~ January 19th, 2012 at 9:31 am
JazzBumpa
Being willing to say anything to get ahead is never selfless. I can’tt believe you believe it could be
The BIG point that you are missing, Karl, is that the fools and the frauds are essentially saying the same things. So electing a fraud will not save us from the foolishness.
It just gets us the same foolishness, with the water being carried by a person of zero integrity.
PK’s point is that the entire Rethug party must be rejected.
He is dead right.
JzB
Thursday ~ January 19th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
IVV
Well, a fraud is better than a fool if the fraud says he’ll do the foolish thing, and then not actually do it.
Now, if he says he’ll do the wise thing, and then not do that, then he’s both a fraud and a fool.
But then again, it’s easy to do something that’s bad for the country, but good for you yourself, and then say you’re not doing that.
Thursday ~ January 19th, 2012 at 10:21 am
DJAnyReason
If this argument is correct, why is Karl Smith not running in the Republican Primary?
Thursday ~ January 19th, 2012 at 11:34 am
Corey Mutter
Romney’s practice turns us all into low-information voters though.
Take your other question – what would be different about an Obama Presidency vs. a Romney Presidency? Because of Romney’s say-anything strategy, we all have no idea. (At least with Obama we can extrapolate from his current term).
Friday ~ January 20th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
megaeconomics
Cynical _and_ foolish.
No regard towards the distribution of income: cynical
No attention to the biological standard of living: foolish.
One could add “malign,” on the Z axis unless too foolish (Fidelz) to understand the cynical Austerian cant “self-sacrifice” means “flagellate the slaves.”
Monday ~ January 23rd, 2012 at 10:08 am
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