Long time readers know that one of my big questions is why Plutocracy cannot be made to work. In particular, I wonder why society ruled by the owners of land combined with a “no serfdom” condition, doesn’t produce great outcomes.
We can argue over whether “no serfdom” is a stable equilibrium, but in the sweep of history so far all other arrangements are consistently beat out by liberal democracies which are a far, far cry from this.
Most of the standard answers to this I find interesting but unsatisfying, though if folks want to argue for them in the comments feel free.
Increasingly, however, I think it has something to do with the problem Paul Krugman outlines here.
One of the disadvantages of being very wealthy may be that you end up surrounded by sycophants, who will never, ever tell you what a fool you’re making of yourself. That’s the only way I can make sense of the farcical behavior of the wealthy described in this new report from Max Abelson:
Cooperman, 68, said in an interview that he can’t walk through the dining room of St. Andrews Country Club in Boca Raton, Florida, without being thanked for speaking up. At least four people expressed their gratitude on Dec. 5 while he was eating an egg-white omelet, he said.
“You’ll get more out of me,” the billionaire said, “if you treat me with respect.”
What I want to know is, how did these people get where they are with such incredibly thin skins? Can you become a Master of the Universe while screaming “Ma, he’s looking at me funny!” at every hint of criticism?
The lesson I would take is as follows. Profit or consumption maximizing incentives are just incredibly weak. We think we see consumption incentives in the general populace but we are really seeing status seeking. Folks earn or consume more in an effort to raise their status relative to others.
However, at very high income/status levels this has odd results. When Jaime Dimon or Leon Cooperman say that what they really want is to be loved, they mean it.
Indeed, twitter was ablaze a few weeks back over the fact that Jamie Dimon objected to his taxes being raised, but thought that he was already paying what Obama proposed raising his tax rate to.
This makes perfect sense if you note that Jamie doesn’t care about his tax rate. He cares about his taxes being raised. He cares about that because it sends a signal to him about how he is viewed in society and that really matters to him.
I see this in lobbying all the time. Because, I am a soulless technician who will faithfully advise anyone and everyone who asks I see the back rooms of opposing lobbyists all the time.
Here at the state level I can safely say that virtually no one has any idea what they are doing. That is, for the most part the lobbyist do not know and indeed are not particularly interested in what is in the best interest of their clients.
Further, this seems to stem from the fact that the clients are not particularly interested in what is in their best interests.
What they are very interested in is whether legislation is pro them or anti them. However, if you begin to talk about the economy as a complex system full of unintended consequences where anti legislation could be in their best interests their eyes glaze over.
Moreover, a very large number of business lobbyists are not even that interested in efforts that are pro or anti their business. They are more interested in legislation that is pro-business in general and that they perceive as being fair.
There are some notable exceptions but I will not name names.
My sense is that there is a huge but odd policy lesson here. I am still working to untangle what it is.

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Wednesday ~ December 21st, 2011 at 11:35 am
Jay Schiavone (@jaytingle)
Not at all surprising. The paradox of the 99% is that most people will vote against their own interest if an unrelated yet emotional issue is given undue attention. My union co-workers are adamant Republicans who are opposed to Social Security and believe that “illegal aliens” somehow cost them money and deny them opportunities. Try to explain to them the Keynesian view of The Stimulus or the folly of the Iraq invasion and occupation. Can’t be done. They have dim consciousness of the financial malfeasance on Wall St., but they know that the occupiers are whiners who should suck it up. And when we retire with seriously diminished benefits (earned and “entitlements”), they will only know to blame the tax-and-spend Democrats. They already embrace plutocracy and serfdom, as well. Did I mention we’re in a union?
Thursday ~ December 22nd, 2011 at 1:59 pm
lemmy caution
High levels of immigration do put pressure on unions, especially construction unions.
Wednesday ~ December 21st, 2011 at 1:16 pm
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Wednesday ~ December 21st, 2011 at 2:38 pm
Bernard Guerrero
Status competition as opposed to profit maximization would also explain the empirical weakness of the risk premium: http://falkenblog.blogspot.com/2011/10/envy-solves-allais-paradox.html
Wednesday ~ December 21st, 2011 at 4:46 pm
fmb
In a repeated game…
[i][b]pro[/i][/b] policies today may be a better predictor of “in best interest” policies in the future. Supporting the self-interested but [i][b]anti[/i][/b] policy pays off now, but might not in the long run.
Also, single-minded pursuit of self-interest may undermine trust/credibility and so also lead to worse outcomes in the future.
Wednesday ~ December 21st, 2011 at 4:47 pm
John Bailey
Tyler Cowen links to your article and immediately above it to this one http://the-american-interest.com/article-bd.cfm?piece=1168
It is an extensive discussion of various lobbying by interest groups in regard to the possible production of shale gas in Poland. In that article, it appears that the various interest groups have a rational strategy designed to protect their interests.
One explanation is that big, important changes are likely to get high level, more rational attention while on-going relatively minor issues are handled as routine. Also, as in the comment about union workers, if the person involved has little or no ability to impact the outcome, they are likely to devote little effort to coming up with a rational, effective strategy.
Those same workers might be highly effective in developing effective strategies if they were directly in control of issues that impacted their lives or income.
Wednesday ~ December 21st, 2011 at 5:34 pm
Jonathan Wallace
The policy lesson is what Hazlitt would say, (and I paraphrase) “the persistent tendency of men to see only the immediate effects of a given policy, or its effect on a specific group, and to neglect not only what the policy does in the long term to the specific group but to others as well.”
Wednesday ~ December 21st, 2011 at 6:12 pm
Tel
“… but in the sweep of history so far all other arrangements are consistently beat out by liberal democracies which are a far, far cry from this.”
That’s a very narrow view of history, it will take a lot more years before Liberal Democracy can prove anywhere near as stable as Feudalism. Come to think of it, do we even still have a Liberal Democracy anymore? I think we are moving steadily towards a semi-theocratic and semi-technocratic central planned hierarchical structure (but I’m sure others would argue the point on that one).
“My sense is that there is a huge but odd policy lesson here. I am still working to untangle what it is.”
Well when the guy asks to be treated with some respect, it’s not really all that much to ask. I know it would kill Krugman to be polite under such circumstances but maybe the rest of us can make an effort.
Wednesday ~ December 21st, 2011 at 7:39 pm
Lord
Let the battle of the sycophants begin!
Thursday ~ December 22nd, 2011 at 5:46 am
Tel
Ha ha, showing respect is now being a sycophant. Go figure huh?
Thursday ~ December 22nd, 2011 at 11:21 am
Lord
It’s what they demand as respect.
Thursday ~ December 22nd, 2011 at 12:14 pm
Lord
Respect is earned, not demanded. If they want some, I suggest they do something to earn it.
Friday ~ December 23rd, 2011 at 11:36 am
Meg
You keep using that word, “respect”. I do not think it means what you think it means, no matter what The Godfather suggests.
Thursday ~ December 22nd, 2011 at 1:48 am
unblinkered
A discipline blending Primatology and Economics would be a start. Tens of thousands of years of status competition for mating rights is the dominant driver of behavior.
Thursday ~ December 22nd, 2011 at 11:24 am
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Thursday ~ December 22nd, 2011 at 2:24 pm
talldave2
“One of the disadvantages of being very wealthy may be that you end up surrounded by sycophants, who will never, ever tell you what a fool you’re making of yourself”
I’m pretty sure Krugman is referring to his comment section there.
Thursday ~ December 22nd, 2011 at 6:34 pm
Bernard Guerrero
+1
Thursday ~ December 22nd, 2011 at 2:34 pm
talldave2
“Indeed, twitter was ablaze a few weeks back over the fact that Jamie Dimon objected to his taxes being raised, but thought that he was already paying what Obama proposed raising his tax rate to. This makes perfect sense if you note that Jamie doesn’t care about his tax rate. He cares about his taxes being raised. He cares about that because it sends a signal to him about how he is viewed in society and that really matters to him.”
While I think it’s true seeking large sums of money is largely about status, I have to point out this is very poor reasoning. If you thought you were worth $500K and then checked more carefully and found out you were actually worth $550K, that doesn’t mean you are indifferent to having the gov’t take $50K from you, apart from how having the money taken affects “how society views you.”
Friday ~ December 23rd, 2011 at 11:33 am
Meg
I think that after sufficiency money simply ceases to motivate, which breaks economic theory. We know that money ceases to reduce stress or raise happiness beyond measurable, quantifiable points, which makes the cognitive function change. You simply can not distribute resources through competitive pricing if people don’t care about the unit of exchange.
As it stands now, we have three economies. The first one, in America about 15% of the population, is significantly below sufficiency triggers the instincts to gamble in the hopes that a big payoff will provide one with the necessities since not gambling is guaranteed not to. The second, the next 81% of America’s population, is from sufficiency and to about twice that level, which mostly works how economists think it should. And then there is the economy of the rich, of excess, where people might as well be playing with monopoly money.
Tuesday ~ December 27th, 2011 at 8:12 pm
andrew
This is an incredibly underappreciated insight.
Individuals and nations do respond to incentives, but the incentives that matter are survival incentives and social incentives; financial incentives are built on top of these and are mediated by them. For people (and nations) so far up the economic ladder that they can’t sense survival incentives lapping at the feet of those far below them, social incentives are the only things that matter.
But social incentives do not necessarily reflect survival incentives, and in the historically and evolutionarily anomalous situation of near-perfect insulation from actual survival threats (caesar, marie antoinette, jamie dimon, the us as a nation) it is common for the privileged to behave like asses completely unselfconsciously.
This also applies to policy and factual understanding. Apart from the narrow range necessary to support his financial and social standing, there is no reason to expect Jamie Dimon to have a better grasp of issues than a similarly intelligent person making $55K/year. In fact, in some sense he probably has a worse grasp, because the median wage earner does not have sycophants to help reinforce his errors.
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