After reading Kevin Drum, I got ready to go off on a long tangent about how if you just sit down and think about it you can tell that the standard explanation of how an airplane flies is shaky at best.
Interestingly, Mike then brings up an analogous scientific question that I was going to mention because I got it wrong for a very long time myself. Namely, how does an airplane wing work? I had long been under the impression that it had something to do with air traveling faster over the top surface, thus producing a vacuum and generating lift. But just like the orbit of the earth, which is quite obviously not a good explanation for the seasons since it’s summer in Australia at the same time it’s winter in London, this is quite obviously a lousy explanation for lift since planes can fly upside down.
But, I’ll resist the full tangent and try to make this more tolerable and productive.
At the core we always want to appeal to simplest and most direct law we can think of. The airplane is thrown “up”. Conservation of momentum then says something in the universe must be thrown “down.”
Our most likely candidate is the air. Then the answer to how the plane goes up must be the answer to how the air goes down. Does your standard explanation tell you that?
My larger point though is though is this
When analyzing things that have a political dimension – like economic policy – people suddenly become aware of the shakiness of the scientific lessons they have been taught. However, this pervades all of science. Its just that most of the time people don’t stop and ask.
In one case that I face all of the time, I talk to lots of folks about the obesity epidemic. The baseline assumption for people at all sorts of levels on this issue is that obesity results from people eating too much and exercising too little.
To explain that this is a maddeningly ridiculous non-answer is like pulling teeth. I am not going to do the whole dog and pony show but for those who might be hearing this from me for the first time ask yourself: how then do people wind up eating and exercising the “right amount.” Because, the answer to that question must be dual to how they might end up eating and exercising the “wrong amount” – whether too little or too much of either.
In any case this is repeated over and over again through pop science. Few people question ideas that if you stopped to question you would see that the standard answer is ridiculous and likely something someone told you so you would stop bothering them.
Indeed, we have textbooks full of “stop bothering me” answers to questions about how the world works. Still, many of these answers are quite useful for common purposes even if they don’t make any sense.
So, what you’ve uncovered with economics and public policy is not how a weirdly shaky discipline but simply how shaky our understanding of the world is generally. Or, at a minimum how complex and narrow the solid answers are.

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Wednesday ~ December 21st, 2011 at 1:23 pm
bdbd
Think about when a boomerang — a simple airfoil — is thrown. It’s launched pretty much in a vertical (perpendicular to the ground) manner, and it keeps on “lifting” itself in the air until it has made the trip out and back to the tosser who launched it.
Wednesday ~ December 21st, 2011 at 2:28 pm
Gene Callahan
Your “ridiculous” answer on obesity seems obviously correct to me — maybe insufficient, but fine as far as it goes — and the answer to the “puzzle” also obvious — adjust calories in and calories out until you are at a stable weight that you like. What is “ridiculous” about that?
Wednesday ~ December 21st, 2011 at 2:50 pm
Wonks Anonymous
Karl has had a number of posts on the topic, here is a representative one with a link to a prior discussion and trackbacks from later posts.
Thursday ~ December 22nd, 2011 at 4:43 pm
Gene Callahan
I see. Perhaps next he can tackle the extreme puzzle of why tobacco addiciton rose so much for Europeans after 1492.
Wednesday ~ December 21st, 2011 at 4:31 pm
Sister Y
The fact that most people can’t do it, despite obvious motivation, but that most people in the past could do it.
Wednesday ~ December 21st, 2011 at 5:21 pm
Gene Callahan
Wow, THAT’S supposed to be a problem with this explanation?! It’s pretty easily handled, isn’t it? It’s not that most people in the past “could” achieve the right balance. In fact, they often couldn’t. It’s rather that except for the very wealthy, there was almost no possibility of too many calories in versus too few out, what with 8 to 12 hours of manual labor to do a day and a barely subsistence diet. No, they quite often got the balance wrong, and died of starvation. But if you look at kings they were often fat as all get go. Why? Because they could be. And now there’s a lot more people who can live like a medieval king, and a lot fewer who can’t afford more than a minimal diet.
Next objection?
Wednesday ~ December 21st, 2011 at 5:39 pm
Apex
the fact that most people in the past did not live in societies where food was abundant and plentiful and they now do is surely not lost on you.
The human craving for food was calibrated for an environment very different from the one most people now inhabit. The craving for food needed to be high to motivate people to search for it.
Then as we moved into more civilized society food may have been a little more available but low affluence still made it not something easy to over indulge on.
But now we live in a world where many people have easy access to as much food as they want. The craving is still high so they eat considerably more than they would have in other time periods. Furthermore the food makeup now can be tailored to our tastes, which were also calibrated to prefer high protein, high fat, and high glucose food content. We didn’t get it that much but preferred it if we could. Now we can get it as much as we want and we do.
So the difference is that now people have to exert a high level of will power to counteract the strong food craving. The strong food craving was beneficial in the past to healthy nutrition and weight levels but it is now detrimental due to it being improperly calibrated for the environment we now live in.
That may not describe the entirety of the problem but it seems like a pretty easy extrapolation from the known biological systems that would seem to be playing a significant role.
Karl has suggested in the past that there is likely some 1 key environmental factor or universal item that is responsible for this change. While I could not rule that out, it seems like a bit of grasping at straws when the craving explanation seems to fit the bill pretty well.
Wednesday ~ December 21st, 2011 at 5:44 pm
Gene Callahan
Just so.
Wednesday ~ December 21st, 2011 at 2:58 pm
Wonks Anonymous
I had to google for the Kevin Drum link. It’s here.
Thursday ~ December 22nd, 2011 at 4:32 am
skylien
„…this is quite obviously a lousy explanation for lift since planes can fly upside down.“
This is just a fallacy of composition. The effect that a wing creates a vacuum and therefore a “lift” works all the time. No matter how you turn the airplane around. The only reason that planes manage to fly upside down without losing height is the same that rockets manage to fly into the orbit: Pure force of engine!
If a plane is upside down its wings will “lift” or better pull it to the surface, and it needs to counter that by using its pitch elevator together with its engine accordingly to stay in the air. There is really nothing shaky about the explanation why wings “lift”. It should be clear that the “lift” works in all directions, not just up. All variables need to be considered and applied correctly, or else you are oversimplifying.
This finally seems to be the point Karl is making with the post as well. The analogy with the wings of Kevin Drum is quite bad though..
Thursday ~ December 22nd, 2011 at 4:38 am
skylien
“Vacuum” is a bad term. Better is “suction” that is caused by a difference in air pressure.
Thursday ~ December 22nd, 2011 at 12:08 pm
from Italy
I do not know too much about statistical surveys on the topic, my personal (without statistical value) experience is that I was told at middle school that the Bohr atom representation wasn’t actually representative but of course we weren’t taught the whole standard model equations…
About seasons, the right explanation was given to me when I was at high school, but in Italy not all high schools teach geographical astronomy, so I do not know too much about the rest of the population. Unfortunately the school curricula do not encompass aerodynamic at high school (as far as I know), so unless somebody becomes a pilot or study physics at the university (or get a personal interest), probably they will not know about it. I think the reason why the Government didn’t put aerodynamics in middle or high school curricula is that, given the shortage of time for teaching math and physics, it’s a little bit less “fundamental” than other knowledge topics, dynamic of fluids is also quite a lot complicate to understand without good knowledge of calculus…
Anyway in Italy, school curricula (for both private and public schools) are decided by the Government so that they are periodically revised, so in the future they could also challenge the tricky beliefs about wing functioning, if this would be considered something more of a useful “basic” knowledge than something about “specialization”.
I do not know how it works in the US , so I do not know if the cases cited by Mr.Drum are really something related to some kind of human cognitive bias or more due to the state of the public schools in this or that country and how the curricula are shaped in this or that year.
Getting then to the general topic of science vs scientism: well for me the most interesting writings about this topic are Popper’s works. I found that on the internet his ideas are often been subjected to straw-man attacks… for me they are worth been read on the original books by him. For having a sort of summary of them the Postscript to the Logic of Scientific Discovery is a good choice in my opinion…
Thursday ~ December 22nd, 2011 at 12:15 pm
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Thursday ~ December 22nd, 2011 at 12:23 pm
Sister Y
how shaky our understanding of the world is generally
Watch out, they used to make people drink hemlock for pointing that out!
Thursday ~ December 29th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
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