If by chance you don’t frequent the geekier side of the twitterverse you might have missed the outpouring of wit-in-140 that followed this post by Gene Marks
If I was a poor black kid I would first and most importantly work to make sure I got the best grades possible. I would make it my #1 priority to be able to read sufficiently. I wouldn’t care if I was a student at the worst public middle school in the worst inner city. Even the worst have their best. And the very best students, even at the worst schools, have more opportunities. Getting good grades is the key to having more options. With good grades you can choose different, better paths. If you do poorly in school, particularly in a lousy school, you’re severely limiting the limited opportunities you have.
As it so happens I was a poor black and I built a rational expectations model of the very phenomenon Marks describes.
I look back on it and I see how it was the origin of the Smithian worldview I push today.
The problem is this: You want to build a model of the choices facing a poor black kid in a bad environment. You need to sketch out a decision tree and then turn that into a choice function and then – in my case – simulate the interaction between neighborhoods and student choice on a computer.
Significant insight can be gleaned from the closed form solutions but to really watch the magic you need numerical estimation.
In building this model one thing became glaring clear. The life choice that Mark’s outlines and that is advocated as prudent and reasonable by society is in fact incredibly risky.
I probably can’t convey the view-quakiness of this revelation because its now so entwined with the way I see the world. However, imagine the choice of a poor teenage girl deciding whether or not to have unprotected sex and possibly become pregnant, or to study hard, make good grades and stay in school.
Forget the unprotected sex itself, which we almost all find enticing.
The key is the pregnancy. For a 16 year-old girl regular unprotected sex will result in a full term pregnancy in the modern world with roughly probability one. There is little chance she will die in child birth. Late term miscarriages at her age are rare.
Now, just like any other parent the birth of that child will be the most important event in her life. And, the love of that child will be the most valuable thing she experiences. Some people say that looking back their career was more important than their children, but those people are few and far between.
So, if the girl has unprotected sex she gets right here, right now, the most important and valuable thing in life will happen immediately with PROBABILTY ONE.
Its difficult to get better than that. Waiting at all creates a risk that something will happen to prevent this. Even, if you can be sure it won’t – and many couples find out unfortunately that you can’t be so sure – you still have to discount the time. You have wait for the most valuable thing in your life.
Mark’s would have her set all that aside. Put away time that she will never get back – you must remember that no matter what you will never get these days back – for the chance that supposedly she will go on to college and get some job and meet some guy and then later have a different child under what might be better circumstances.
This is a risk. Taking Marks advice means that you lose a sure shot at the greatest thing in life. It means that you potentially waste time and time is the currency of life. He wants to convince you that the gamble might pay off.
Yet, how is a Bayesian supposed to tackle this problem?
I look around in my neighborhood and by definition none of the folks here have done what Marks suggests. These people are like me. I have no reason to believe that I am different.
What kind of sense would it make for me to take this gamble when no else does? No, it makes more sense to play it safe and take the sure thing.
Now, of course teachers, parents and helpful people like Marks will tell me to do otherwise. Should I believe them?
Not on your life.
By their own admission they want to see me “succeed.” That is, they benefit from my gamble. Yet, they incur none of the risks. They don’t lose time with their child. They don’t risk their fertility. They don’t experience the disutility of social climbing.
Heads they win. Tails I lose.
Listening to them would be nothing short of foolish.
And, so of course the teenage girl does not listen. Not because she is irrational, but because she is rational.
Indeed, strategies to get her to change her mind hinge on coercion or leveraging irrationality. Parents may threaten as poor parents do not have the resources to bribe.
Some teachers will try to convince students that they can do anything if they try. Clearly they can not. Others will significantly downplay the disutility of social climbing. They will cast crossing into the cultural unknown as uplifting, not depressing and possibly deeply lonely. These kind of stories border on outright deception.
Everyone will try to get her to “believe in herself.” This is an attempt to induce Caplan-esque rational irrationality. That is, to attach an emotional preference to a belief about the natural world. This is epistemologically equivalent to the nationalistic fervor that accompanies “America First.”
And, if that doesn’t work some teachers will resort to honest guilt: “We took a chance on you, now you take a chance on yourself.”
However, all of these strategies come down not to encouraging prudence and rationality, because the prudent and rational thing to do is to get pregnant. They instead hinge on emotional appeals to irrationality, noble lies and social, and sometimes physical coercion.
If you were a poor black kid, that’s what you would face.

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Wednesday ~ December 14th, 2011 at 11:48 am
Wonks Anonymous
The obvious solution is baby-stealing, a la Australia’s lost-generations. I don’t know how that turned out in the end, so we should just assume everything worked out fine.
Wednesday ~ December 14th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
gaius marius
civilization is largely the institutionalization of delayed (or even foregone) gratification, of overcoming the impulse to maximize individual short-run utility in favor of a long-run collective utility that raises all boats. and it does clearly raise all boats, presuming you don’t prefer to live in caves. as such, mr smith, i wonder if your presumptions about the true payoffs involved at each outcome is entirely comprehensive.
Wednesday ~ December 14th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
Curt Doolittle
That’s quite true. And all societies use institutions to enforce delayed gratification. Well, that is, all societies that are culturally homogenous enough that status signals are agreed upon. And our society has intentionally dismantled the institutions that enforce delayed gratification over the past century – and it has done so in order to rewrite signaling rules under the pretext that signaling rules are arbitrary – but they’re not. They’re Hayekian – they matter.
But Karl won’t like that conclusion.
Thursday ~ December 15th, 2011 at 1:14 am
GlibFighter
@gaius marius: You’re 100% on target.
Wednesday ~ December 14th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
anon
Karl:
A poor child will be just as great for the mother, but will a poor mother be great for the kid as well?
Didn’t you wish as a child all those little (and not so little) details of modern life that your richer friends had, but which your family could not afford? That too can be a lonely existence.
I am too speaking of first hand experience.
Friday ~ December 16th, 2011 at 6:45 pm
Matt Flipago
Looking back on your life, do you really care that you didn’t have the newest game system, or the expensive sneakers? I thought that stuff was important than, but had I not been the richer than average I would still have that same want. Looking back I don’t think my and i don’t think most people would have said their childhood would have been significantly happier if their family was richer. Kid’s have the infinite want of goods too, they are never satisfied, and it has almost nothing to do with status in most schools.
Saturday ~ December 17th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
John Jones
I can tell you as far as my childhood experience went you are completely wrong. I was bullied, ostracized, and generally treated like sh*t; most of it was because I didn’t have the ‘right’ type of clothes, shoes, or a car.
My childhood would have been a lot happier if my family would have been wealthier. I wouldn’t have had to worry about getting repeatedly assaulted because I had funny looking clothes or shoes. Who knows; if I had decent clothes and a car I might have even landed a girlfriend. My quality of life was significantly lower from middle school to high school because of my class.
Of course from preschool to the end of elementary school no one really cares too much about material possessions. But after that it absolutely makes a difference.
Wednesday ~ December 14th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
Lucas
(I’m white, male, and grew up lower-middle class, somewhat above the poverty threshold.) This sounds like a rational addiction argument. When I was 16, I had no interest whatsoever in having a child. Even now, 12 years later, it does not sound like it will be a life changing, most-important-event-ever change to me. It sounds like a massive inconvenience, which would cause me to incur enormous financial as well as personal costs. I generally dislike my friends’ children. They’re rude, mean spirited, selfish brats most of the time. In short having children sounds awful. Yet, I also have every reason to believe that having children would be amazing and the most satisfying thing I could do. Nearly everyone else says so, and I have no reason to doubt either their honesty or my similarity to their psychology. Quoting the Wikipedia page on rational addiction:
‘The addict knows exactly how the good will affect him, and the reason he consumes more and more (“gets hooked”) is that this is the pattern of consumption that maximizes his discounted utility. He knows that consuming the addictive good will change his preferences, altering both his future baseline level of utility and the marginal utility of consuming the addictive good in the future.’
In this case, “the good” is a child. While it might be rational to have a child as a poor, black sixteen year old, it’s rational in the same sense that becoming a heroin addict is rational.
Wednesday ~ December 14th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
Gabe Ruth
Did you have a sex change when you became rich and famous, or was that subtle little switch in your rationalization for single motherhood completely unconscious?
The quote was deeply condescending, but this post is demented.
Wednesday ~ December 14th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
Chris Stucchio
The problem with this theory is that it predicts too much. According to the theory, rich white girls should have a nearly equal desire to become a teenage mother.
http://crazybear.posterous.com/if-i-were-a-rich-white-girl
Wednesday ~ December 14th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
K. Williams
” Some people say that looking back their career was more important than their children, but those people are few and far between.”
Are Americans who have children at 16 really happier with their lives and their experience as parents than Americans who have children at 25 (or whenever)? I severely doubt it. The whole post is predicated on the idea that the utility you get from being a parent is the same (or close enough that the probability = 1 of becoming a parent at age 16 trumps all else) whether you have the baby at 16, with no job and no prospect of getting one, or at 25. There’s just no reason to think this is true, and plenty of reasons to think that it isn’t, which means that the fact that you’re guaranteed to have a baby if you have unprotected sex at 16 should have much less weight in determining whether or not to have sex in that way.
Wednesday ~ December 14th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
Daniel Kuehn
I agree working it out is more complicated than Marks suggests, but you seem to be focusing on the wrong complications here.
Sixteen year olds aren’t clamoring for parenthood, after all. It’s not clear that getting pregnant at 18 or 20 or 22 or 24 is that much harder than getting pregnant at 16 even if they were.
The bigger complication is that (1.) information goods often aren’t considered valuable unless you know what the information is, and (2.) working hard does not guarantee you will be the best in a bad school, and being the best in a bad school does not guarantee your life is going to be appreciably better than your peers.
#1 is a constraint on all youth, which is why we don’t let kids decide how much education they’re going to receive. If we did, every kid would drop out when they started teaching cursive or multiplication (that’s about the time I remember school not being so “fun” anymore).
#2 is a simple fact of life. I work my butt off and am pretty good at economics, but I’m simply not smart enough to get into a prestigious econ department. I came from a good school in a good neighborhood and even in that good school I was at the top of the class. For me, this is fine of course, because even if I performed comparably to my peers that was pretty good given my peers. But for a kid without the educational resources I had (and I went to public schools the whole way through – I’m not talking about family connections or anything), there is always a possibility of this sort of success, but it’s hardly guaranteed and it’s heavily handicapped.
So I don’t disagree with your point that Marks’s option is risky – I think you’re just highlighting the wrong risks. I don’t think demand for motherhood is what’s going on – it’s hyperbolic discounting, information asymmetries, and a sort of superstar effect (a la Rosen) where substantial success from an investment is unlikely.
Wednesday ~ December 14th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
from Italy
I didn’t understand: if they’re all behaving rationally both the parents/teachers pushing for the teenager girl not to get pregnant and the teenager girl playing the fool in order to elude control, why there isn’t an overwhelming majority of teenager girls getting pregnant all around?
PS
“You need to sketch out a decision tree and then turn that into a choice function and then – in my case – simulate the interaction between neighborhoods and student choice on a computer.”
I mean, did you really do that about your childhood? LOL
Wednesday ~ December 14th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
alanmcole
Over 40% of black teen pregnancies end in abortion. If abortion were readily and freely available, and not culturally or morally stigmatized, that rate would probably be even higher.
The idea that teenagers are getting pregnant because they desperately want kids now is simply not borne out by a very basic revealed preference argument – black teen mothers are a staple client of the abortion clinic business.
Wednesday ~ December 14th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
Benny Lava
Gene Marks is wrong because the assumption is that studying hard will lead you to college. But college for poor people is significantly riskier. It will all be financed with studen loan debt and then what? Occupy Wall St? A better piece of advice is stay out of trouble and work just hard enough to get into a skilled trade.
Sometimes the unrealistic and condescending attitudes of people really grinds my gears.
Wednesday ~ December 14th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
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Wednesday ~ December 14th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
Matt (@MeCampbell30)
I suspect the issue is more complex than risking a loss of fertility without a child. Information gaps, the risk of social stigmatization, and the much greater amount of work that need to be put in to achieve success in that situation plays a much bigger role.
Wednesday ~ December 14th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
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Wednesday ~ December 14th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
Barry
I hate to say it, but Karl – please go talk to some people who actually know stuff. Start with the depts of Sociology and Social Work in your school.
Wednesday ~ December 14th, 2011 at 4:39 pm
Becky Hargrove
I want to suggest that life is a bit more random, or at the very least, less predictable than this model. In high school, I was one of those set on going to college, one of those who was focused on the future, while other girls I knew were pregnant before their graduations. Nonetheless, many of those girls – by societal standards – are far better off financially and otherwise than I am in the present. All I am saying is that life is not as simple as it seems on the surface. And to those who say a child ‘gets in the way’, I would say now that a significant part of me wishes I’d had children when I was young. Sometimes when we don’t have children, our life work becomes very important to us but it is not as easy in the present to fulfill our life’s work as it once was. And when we do not have children, it is also sometimes difficult to know what in fact to do with our life’s work, when all is done.
Wednesday ~ December 14th, 2011 at 7:35 pm
jpersonna
That was the most unconventional thing I read all day
. I wonder how it meets (or not) the Daniel Gilbert “happiness setpoint” idea. Actually, I think he says (young) kids, statistically speaking, are a happiness negative.
Wednesday ~ December 14th, 2011 at 8:22 pm
Johnnie Linn
Since you came into the world as a poor black male rather than a poor black female, your greatest thing in life, at least in the view of some, would be circumcision. And what advice would you get?
“For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law, but desire to have you circumcised that they may glory in your flesh” (Galatians 6:13).
The advice that a young girl should be most wary of is that which is given by others who were once young girls.
Thursday ~ December 15th, 2011 at 12:31 am
Bub
First of all, I think it’s unlikely that any 16-year old poor child (of any race) can do cost-benefit analysis. In any case, I reject absolutely that having children somehow benefits a 16-year-old (unless of course grandma is willing to babysit while you’re off at the junior prom and then again every other night of your youth). He also ignores the child support payments that 16 year old fathers are now expected to pony up (your life’s over dude). It used to be that if you were 16 and had a kid, you got your own apartment and AFWDC, but the government figured out the Freakanomics of that and now it’s grandma who gets the money and you don’t even get 2 weeks off from high school. If having a kid was so great, why did Casey Anthony strangle hers?
Thursday ~ December 15th, 2011 at 7:19 am
Axel
This post reminds me another one of yours. It was about economist taking into account common sense to avoid correct reasoning out of touch with reality.
You seem to be fond of unveiling paradoxes and out of the box ideas/assumptions which makes you a great blogger to read (at least to my taste).
May be there is other explanation for you being able to propose such an surreal analysis. May be your economist background makes you forcefully attached to concepts like rationality and utility despite these being one of the weakest part of the economic theory. May be your curriculum disposes you to love ‘cold blooded’ a bit too much ?
Why would it be so important to conclude poor afro-american kids are rational in their losing strike? What is at stake here ?
My assumption would be it is to state how poor black kids are no different than anyone else and deserve same kind of a priori assumption about rationality as anyone else.
Thursday ~ December 15th, 2011 at 9:06 am
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Thursday ~ December 15th, 2011 at 9:30 am
Jonathan Hallam
Hey,
So… ‘one of the things about the middle class is that it knows that being middle class is good?’ Worryingly believable.
I do question whether or not the information from the parent – that having had a child is the most rewarding thing in their life – is really accurate.
PS: If you’re wondering where this comes from, I think it’s the second ‘the science of discworld’ popular science book, in the original form: ‘One of the things about big brains is that they know big brains are good.’
Yours,
JMH
Thursday ~ December 15th, 2011 at 10:04 am
OGT
As described here, this might be the worst model ever written in the history of economics. It misinderstands the subjects motives, predicts behavior not empirically supported, and rest on shaky modelling assumptions.
I hope this isn’t really what your world view rest upon.
Thursday ~ December 15th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
Tom
This analysis ignores the instinctual drive of a female to look for the best possible genes in a mate, which is a large source of delayed gratification in better-situated females. It’s an indication of the hopeless life she has been dealt that a poor teenager would intentionally make a baby with some teenage jerk and likely start down the welfare path in life.
Thursday ~ December 15th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
irreparabiletempus
I think you’re ignoring all the tradeoffs that go with teen pregnancy-by having a child as a poor single teen mother, you drastically increase the probability that a substantial portion, if not the majority of, the rest of your life will be spent in poverty.
perhaps i am not as baby hungry as a 28 year old male as your subject, but i think a rational preference maximizer could easily believe that “huge risk of lifelong poverty” > “immediate baby”, and it’s not particularly close.
Thursday ~ December 15th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
Anthony
Aside from the writing style issues, most of the objections are missing the point that from the perspective of a 16-year-old poor girl, the choices are realistically: a) lifelong poverty with a child, or b) lifelong poverty without a child. Alan M Cole above points out that many 16-year-old girls get abortions rather than bearing their child, but many of those same girls will get pregnant in a few years, at what us middle-class white people think is still too young for children, and keep the child. That’s probably rational behavior, too, as various benefits for single parents are more available to adults than children.
Thomas Sowell pointed out years ago that having children young is rational even for a more ambitious poor girl, as the most likely remunerative career path for such young women is to get a clerical job for the government or a big corporation, where advancement is pretty strictly seniority-based, and having a child mid-career will likely set one back significantly. Faced with those prospects, having a baby or three while young will leave one more able to pursue a clerical career and build up seniority than delaying children into one’s late 20s or 30s.
Thursday ~ December 15th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
Jardon Jaramillo
Can anyone who didn’t grow up truly poor comment meaningfully on these ideas?
Every contributing factor outlined in these comments is partially true, and it might be that none of them are true in even a plurality of cases.
The incentive to have a baby, and be able to contribute socially and economically (through welfare programs) is strong, and the opportunity to have a meaningful economic contribution in many neighborhoods is weak.
Personal experience, which led me from a family that was homeless at times, to the corporate world, makes me question at times whether the severing the ties that social mobility required has made me any happier.
Thursday ~ December 15th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
talldave2
You can similarly argue the best possible choice for everyone is to develop a heroin addiction, which is apparently very fulfilling and becomes the most important and wonderful thing in your life.
You get to ignore all the disutilities of life! What could be better?
Friday ~ December 16th, 2011 at 3:37 am
King
No Nobel prize for you. Gary Becker proved that more than 30 years ago.
Thursday ~ December 15th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
Steve Sailer
There are other rational reasons for teen pregnancy as well. For example, the 16 year old girl’s mother’s mother is likely a still-vigorous woman between 35 and 60 who can be a huge help in child care. For example, Barack Obama’s mother Ann became pregnant at 17 when her mother Madelyn was only 37 or 38. The President’s maternal grandmother wound up being both chief breadwinner in his family, making enough to send her grandson to Hawaii’s most famous prep school and doing a lot of the child care while daughter Ann pursued other interests abroad.
Also, the welfare system used to be generous to single mothers, often giving teenage mothers’ their own public housing apartments. To be given your own apartment in the same building where your mom and grandmother live is pretty ideal.
Thursday ~ December 15th, 2011 at 5:06 pm
Steve Sailer
On the other hand, the black teen fertility rate has fallen sharply after a spike about two decades ago. The reasons for this are not terribly clear and not widely discussed. I’ve heard it suggested that Depo-Provera shots have proven popular among this demographic.
But, in contrast to the 1970s, public advocacy of birth control is unpopular, especially advocacy of birth control for nonwhites. (Notice how all the coverage of the 2010 Haiti earthquake showed that Haiti is horribly overpopulated, but there were very few voices publicly calling for stronger charitable efforts in Haiti to make contraception free and popular.)
Thursday ~ December 15th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
Filipe
I guess Smith is very happy he has fathered a kid, and loves him so much that he now mistakenly expects those who never have had children to consciously antecipate such delights of parenthood.
Thursday ~ December 15th, 2011 at 7:18 pm
Pacer
Ah, but absent the publicly-provided hospital and obstetric services, which said poor girl could not afford to pay for on her own, how would her odds of a successful pregnancy look? I’d bet pretty bad (probably worse than the 30 year old professional woman attempting to bear for the first time), based on the infant and maternal mortality figures from countries where first world medical treatment is not generally available.
The fact that most teenage women in the U.S. don’t follow Karl’s “rational path” is the reason there is surplus in our society to provide health care for the indigent. The results (individual and collective) for places where teenage pregnancy is the norm, are not a mystery.
It’s much like saying that the smartest diners are those who skip on the bill, without acknowledging that if enough people did likewise the restaurant would cease to be. This, is why we as a society are quite rational in discouraging and penalizing such invidually-rational behavior.
Thursday ~ December 15th, 2011 at 8:38 pm
Steve Sailer
The fertility rate for black girls age 15-17 has fallen from 86 births per 1000 young women in 1991 to only 32 in 2009. This is extremely good news, although almost nobody knows it.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db58.htm
Friday ~ December 16th, 2011 at 4:15 am
Mr. Econotarian
Indeed, US black teen pregnancy is down, but post-teen black single motherhood is up. For that, I blame the effect of the war on drugs of incarcerating so many black males.
Saturday ~ December 17th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
John Jones
I know this isn’t going to be a socially popular answer, but Welfare reform took place in 1996 which made substantial changes to the amount and way poor single mothers are paid.
Benefits are now no longer as generous as they were, and you have to work a certain number of hours in order to receive welfare.
Thursday ~ December 15th, 2011 at 10:00 pm
ohwilleke
The original post calculus, with an inifinity in it, sounds very much like Pascal’s wager. Yet, about one in eight Americans chooses to be non-religious.
On the other hand, the decision on school v. alternatives is made at a time when it is possible to very accurately to predict one’s own academic future. You are either doing well in school, or you aren’t, by the time you are sixteen. An exhortation to do well in school to a sixteen year old is far more plausible to a kid with a B average, than to one who has been flunking courses now and then since middle school and has been behind grade level on every standardized test ever taken since third grade who is struggling to make sense of the grade level materials that kid is being fed at the moment (or who, more likely, has simply given up).
Quality of life does matter. But, in most cases for a poor black inner city sixteen year old girl, the choice is not between entry into the middle class with a college degree and teenage single motherdom as a high school dropout. It is realistically between single motherdom as a high school dropout at sixteen and single motherdom as a high school graduate a few years later with a dim possibilty of a few college colleges and a marriage instead. The case that has been made effectively and reduced the single motherdom rate is the argument that delaying pregnancy for three or four years improves quality of life enough to make it worth it.
Fertility concerns in that time frame for someone of that age are minimal, except to the extent that the sixteen year old thinks that there is a meaningful chance that she will die from crime in that time frame (which is much less likely now than a few years ago due to declining crime and declining drug abuse related deaths).
The big sell is to convince a girl that her economic prospects with a degree are better than her prospects without one.
Friday ~ December 16th, 2011 at 8:21 pm
Anthony
The big sell, and the much harder one, is to convince a girl from a poor family that she’ll actually be able to complete a degree. Those who have some confidence that they can are generally more likely to at least make the attempt, or at least finish high school. Even if the degree is just an AA from a community college, it *will* improve her future job prospects. But for a girl struggling academically through high school, the prospect of spending even more time in school for a very uncertain outcome isn’t terribly appealing.
Thursday ~ December 15th, 2011 at 11:04 pm
Floccina
Yeah sometimes I think that poor blacks look at middle class whites and think “look at those fools they spend their youths do boring school work so they can grow up to work long hours at boring jobs.” Who are we to advise them to be like us?
Friday ~ December 16th, 2011 at 11:45 am
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Friday ~ December 16th, 2011 at 2:03 pm
Scott Cunningham
Karl – can you post a link to your work on this? I’d like to see the model and the simulations you did. What are the testable predictions you derive? It sounds like this is a form of peer effects where the priors never really get updated. Its Bayesian learning about one’s type, as opposed to having myopic preferences and discounting the future benefits from schooling, am I right?
I was curious what effect you think shortages of black males due to mass incarceration has in this decision? I could see shortages of males making this even more rational – the boy has a high chance of imprisonment, for instance. He faces it bc it is statistically modal for uneducated black males for one. He may be facing discrimination at all levels of law enforcement too, making false imprisonment more likely, which therefore makes schooling investments even lower in expected returns. And so on.
But to your point – if he future is uncertain, perhaps because the female is unsure of her type, and boys are scarce, then it would seem to make teenage fertility even more beneficial. She may simply lack the options for a male later – particularly a male who she prefers – if his odds of imprisonment are high enough.
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Friday ~ January 27th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Sagittarius A
Well, almost none of this made very much sense to the realistic side of my brain.
First of all, let’s settle the whole thing about the grades. To pursue good grades you need to know the worth of good grades. You don’t instinctively know the worth of good grades. Children aren’t born with an innate understanding of the long-term value of education. Someone needs to SHOW you the worth of good grades. If no one shows you, you might fall behind before you ever find out that you should have never let yourself fall behind.
Second, I find the claims about having babies at an early age due to some risk-reward calculation extremely difficult to accept (and if it is, it’s a calculation based on a very incomplete information set).
The more likely reason girls have babies at 16 is because no one introduced them FULLY to the alternatives, because they don’t know the “utility” of taking the “risk” of staying in school and getting good grades. The choices you describe require an information set infinitely larger than those with which many poor kids work.
I was a poor kid and got out due to sheer luck. I never knew, when I was 16, the value (or “utility”) of graduating from college and wearing suits and making connections in high places because…
…Because no one ever SHOWED me (although many TOLD me).
Think about the difference. It matters.
Saturday ~ January 28th, 2012 at 1:42 am
RonJohnsJr
Wow. I understand (only now) everything you wrote. I cannot deny the accuracy of your logic. Yet, in my gut, I want her to be able to provide for that child more than a subsistence. Is the point that the system has to change so it becomes rational for her to make “better” choices?
Sunday ~ January 27th, 2013 at 4:13 pm
Because She Is Rational | Feldsmarch
[...] Karl Smith applies that idea to the choices facing a black American teenage girl: [...]