I plan to do a more complete reply to Brad Johnson, though primarily as a jumping off point to ramble on about a lot of energy and climate change things that I think.
However, I wanted to address a few concerns right now before I have time to write the longer post.![]()
First and most importantly, while I welcome most of his criticism with open arms Brad did commit a most heinous and unforgivable crime. He broke the hearts of geeky schoolgirls the internet over, by posting a most unflattering picture of me.
Much of the damage is sadly irreversible. Nonetheless, I will do what I can to assure all my pre-teen readers that in real life I am as Bieberlicious as I am clever.
What this implies for my adorability, I leave as an exercise to the reader.
Even less substantively I want to quickly address a few issues that cropped up around the internet.
1) No, that was not satire. Though, thank you for saying so. I genuinely believe that expanding the production of dirty energy is in the best interest of humanity.
2) I do well with puppies, but find kittens cuter. I like babies generally, though strongly prefer my own. And, yes I do love my mother.
3) Surprisingly perhaps, I am actually not utterly ignorant of the issues involved in climate change. Very early in my career I worked on environmental economics and in particular building the kind of computable general equilibrium models that Nordhaus uses. How that led to where I am is an interesting story, but very much unlike other academics, in my intellectual career building computer models and blogging are the two things that have brought me the most acclaim.
4) I am not really in any sense a conservative economist. Some people have called me a progressive though I don’t take that label either. In all seriousness I feel the most solidarity with what might be called Old Whigs. I am deeply and almost obsessively concerned with the plight of the less privileged, but I am a staunch anti-revolutionary, an unabashed elitist and a skeptic of excess democracy. This is a combination of positions rarely held in the 21st century but more common in the 18th.
5) Tail risk is something we should talk about more. I think people are treating this topic too lightly from a intellectual point of view. Its not clear to me that buying insurance against very deep in the tails calamities is a good idea. The utility functions written down to justify that don’t seem to reflect how people actually value things.
6) Deep uncertainty about the future is a big deal. However, as a rule uncertainty encourages dovishness. There are very specific cases when this might not be true, but generally speaking the more uncertain you are about the future the less willing you should be to suffer today for a better tomorrow.
One can think of it this way. On our last day on earth the best advice is always Eat, Drink and be Merry for tomorrow we will die. It’s the increasing assurance that you won’t die that makes this advice less prudent. Similarly as you become terminally ill you should be more reckless, not more careful.
7) Yes, encouraging people to think short-term is a major theme is lots of my posts because it is the biggest policy mistake I see people making but few people pointing out. To wax Hansonian for just a moment I think the core problem is that thinking long-term is a high status thing to do because smart people are better at it. Thus, being a long-term thinker signals that you are smart. However, as we might expect with status competitions this is overdone. And, because policy choices matter this affects the lives of real people negatively.

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Saturday ~ December 3rd, 2011 at 10:27 am
michaelc
I’m inclined to think that our overriding goal as a species should always be to minimize the risk of extinction, even if that means making our existence a little less enjoyably. We’re probably not more than a century or so removed from the point where it will be conceivable for human life to continue outside of this planet, and if we do make it off this planet it will be very hard for something to kill us off. In that case I think that the end of our species would be much less likely to come through extinction than evolution to something we would no longer recognize. Maybe we are doomed no matter what we do, but we shouldn’t totally despair of living forever.
Saturday ~ December 3rd, 2011 at 11:36 am
Marcus
My two cents: I am a person more sympathetic to Brad’s position than to the position that (simplified) we should maximize fossil fuel extraction use and deal with the climate impacts later. However, after this series of exchanges, I find myself considering Karl’s reasonable explanation, and it’s not such an obvious slam dunk that Brad and the rest seem to think it is.
Style matters in debate, especially when your style consists of insults and a de-emphasis on rebuttal in favor of outright dismissal. The effort to implement a carbon tax or cap and trade will not be won by brute argumentative force, because there are hordes of people less reasonable than Karl that need to be convinced carbon mitigation is necessary before it will actually happen.
Saturday ~ December 3rd, 2011 at 12:49 pm
Andy Harless
How is it that you equate decreased life expectancy with increased uncertainty? Increased uncertainty (i.e., an increase in the variance of a distribution of outcomes, holding the mean constant) should lead us to be more conservative. Decreased life expectancy should lead us to be less conservative, in part because it actually constitutes a decrease in uncertainty. We all know we’re going to die: the only question is when. Usually, when the mean of that distribution is reduced (i.e. you have fewer years to live), it means that the variance has also been reduced, that the whole distribution has been narrowed. That is less uncertainty, not more.
Saturday ~ December 3rd, 2011 at 2:04 pm
Karl Smith
That was a cheat to get at the intuition behind weighting the future.
The point in your terms is that sacrificing well-being today for gains tomorrow is a lottery and thus less conservative. What you give up today, you give up with probability one.
Sunday ~ January 1st, 2012 at 6:33 pm
Andy Harless
This argument only works if your model of uncertainty is binary — things are either certain or uncertain. Reducing greenhouse gases today, while it does impose a certain cost in exchange for an uncertain benefit, also reduces the uncertainty associated with climate change. The less greenhouse gases we produce, the more confident we can be that climate conditions in the future will be similar (to some degree) to what they are now. We can never be anywhere near completely certain about future climate conditions no matter what we do, but we can have different degrees of uncertainty depending on our current actions.
Saturday ~ December 3rd, 2011 at 2:56 pm
Becky Hargrove
Which is worse, peak oil or peak hope? Exactly. Today in the developing world people are buying cars in greater numbers. Should we try to stop them? Just the same, as different people are now gaining the experience of getting somewhere in a hurry, many others are discovering that the auto is not a real part of their future even though it has been a part of their past for decades. So this is going to eventually balance out in ways not exactly moral. The moral part is to plan for those who will not be using cars much in the future, so that their lives need not be disrespected for a sensible and economic choice.
Saturday ~ December 3rd, 2011 at 3:22 pm
Tenney Naumer
Re: point 5
The risk curve for climate change is not a normal bell curve. The take home point is that as time goes on and we continue to spew more and more CO2 into the atmosphere, the tail of possible calamities keeps getting fatter and fatter. We are heading toward temperatures at which food staples just do not want to grow. Take tomatoes, for instance. Not exactly a staple, I know. But they simply will not grow at or reproduce at certain temperatures.
Look at Table 1 in this paper for the threshold temperatures for some crops:
http://www.plantstress.com/Articles/up_heat_files/Heat%20Tolerance%202007.pdf
High temperatures in the Midwest are already reducing yields by up to 10%.
Then there is the loss of that nice cap of cold air that used to hang out at the North Pole. It’s going, going, gone, soon. Weather is going completely wacky. Farmers have a hard enough time with the unpredictability of weather, much less with catastrophic floods and droughts and now, too, extreme wind events.
Have a look at this to have a better idea of what is really going on:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/temporarily-frozen-planet-permanently-frozen-objectivity.html
So, shall we keep burning all the fossil fuel in the fantasy hope that a technological miracle will save us, or do we act now to get the CO2 emissions down as fast as possible?
Monday ~ December 5th, 2011 at 7:37 pm
IVV
As long as you can keep or increase our energy availability per human, please, yes, let’s reduce CO2 emissions.
But if you think lowering energy per capita will work, guess again–the rich will just take the poor’s power. As always.
Saturday ~ December 3rd, 2011 at 6:32 pm
q
the fact that i am likely to live well past my productive years makes me less certain of my wealth – what a crock.
Tuesday ~ December 6th, 2011 at 11:18 am
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