I agree with Matt Yglesias so often that sometimes it seems pointless for me to bother blogging. He’s even gotten the hang of employing St Louis Fed charts, which really cuts to my value-add.
So I enjoy these rare instances to put a bit of daylight between us.
Matt echoes Noah Smith and Paul Krugman’s criticism of John Taylor
Paul Krugman and Noah Smith both rightly critique the last sentence here. Per Smith, “Lucas, Sargent, etc. thought that government purchases wouldn’t raise GDP” which is the reverse of Taylor’s conclusion. ARRA didn’t boost GDP because a temporary boost in government purchases won’t boost GDP, and ARRA didn’t boost GDP because it didn’t lead to an increase in government purchases are incompatible positions. They’re just both criticisms of ARRA and therefore perhaps emotionally satisfying to people who dislike Barack Obama.
I actually think Taylor is making an important substantive point here. It’s that in practice fiscal stimulus doesn’t raise GDP because in practice fiscal stimulus amounts to giving money to people, who then save it – just as Lucas, Sargent etc, said they would.
Moreover, if you are using “old” models without rational expectations or Ricardian equivalence this shouldn’t happen. Matt’s basic model that if you give people more money, they will do more stuff with it should hold.
Admittedly, this is my basic model as well and Taylor’s evidence cuts against it.
If you had already accepted that its simply not possible to ramp up direct federal expenditures in a timely manner then this is an important critique. In practice fiscal stimulus means giving somebody money: tax payers, COBRA recipients, the unemployed, state and local governments, etc.
If all of these folks are simply going to save the money then fiscal stimulus doesn’t work.

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Monday ~ July 4th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
Sprizouse
Lucas doesn’t have a point at all… not in the classical sense or the modern sense. And what you’re both assuming is a situation of full employment — which is really the only time fiscal stimulus wouldn’t raise GDP.
But fiscal stimulus can raise GDP in all models when we’re not at full employment because, like unemployment transfer payments, fiscal stimulus tends to give money to people who can’t readily save it. Fiscal stimulus takes some of the slack, underemployed, unemployed workers and puts them to work, thereby they’re able to pay off debt and consume. That raises GDP. If you think it doesn’t then you’re assuming that fiscal stimulus and unemployment payments are going to independently wealthy people who will just save the money.
In reality, this is much more likely to happen with tax cuts and it’s why the multiplier for the stimulative effects of tax cuts needs to be discounted heavily. A large portion of tax cuts will go to people who are already working, who will just ‘save’ their tax cuts.
Finally, even in the old models with Ricardian equivalence, a fiscal stimulus should have stimulative effects on GDP, because the perfectly rational consumer will know that the stimulus is a one-time thing, funded by longer-term government debt. So the consumer can raise his consumption by the difference between the two.
Monday ~ July 4th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
Khal Mojo
I thought I read a lot of the stimulus money that was supposed to go toward construction projects, for example, didn’t end up producing any actual construction. If that’s the case, then it got pocketed, didn’t it?
Quite frankly, if people are just saving then we need to make saving painful. Target where they’re saving it directly and make it very, very painful. Anything less is endorsement.
Monday ~ July 4th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
rjs
bill gross, CEO of the worlds largest bond fund PIMCO, seems to have had an epiphany about proper countercyclical fiscal policy last week; in his monthly letter to investors, he said concern about deficits can wait for a stronger economy, and called for a new stimulus program similar the FDR’s WPA…quoting economist hyman minsky, he opined that “government should become the “employer of last resort” in a crisis, offering a job to anyone who wants one – for health care, street cleaning, or slum renovation” and repeated david rosenberg’s “I’d have a shovel in the hands of the long-term unemployed from 8am to noon, and from 1pm to 5pm I’d have them studying algebra, physics, and geometry.”
Monday ~ July 4th, 2011 at 4:42 pm
nanute
What sprzouse said. Furthermore, if stimulus money is targeted specifically towards underemployed, unemployed and low incomes this will increase the likelihood that the stimulus will be spent vs. saved.
Monday ~ July 4th, 2011 at 6:29 pm
roublen
Rational expectations is not crazy for saying that that if you give people money they might save it rather than spend it. It’s crazy for saying that people will save based on estimating their increased future tax liabilities because of the increased new spending (as if any self-respecting conservative would not be dreaming up clever schemes of tax avoidance instead of meekly estimating their future taxes!). The Chinese save a large fraction of their income, not because of future tax liabilities, but because they don’t have health insurance. With high unemployment, and the most unpredictable medical costs of any rich nation, it’s not hard to explain why people are saving as much as they possibly can.
Tuesday ~ July 5th, 2011 at 12:50 am
Lorenzo from Oz
Yes, our models tell us fiscal stimulus can always work if the economy is operating below maximum capacity: too bad the evidence is so uncooperative.
Tuesday ~ July 5th, 2011 at 1:03 am
Miguel DeMoravia
What evidence has been uncooperative Lorenzo? When has fiscal stimulus not stimulated the economy? If you referring to the instance of the 2009 stimulus then you must be one of those who says the stimulus did nothing.
To which I must ask, with utmost sincerity, what exactly is your baseline for the economy ex-ante and ex-post the 2009 stimulus? Exactly the same, I presume? Or perhaps, dare I say it, better? The fantasy you construct for any possible answer to this question will undoubtedly boggle the mind…
Tuesday ~ July 5th, 2011 at 1:40 am
Lord
If there was any stimulus, it might have been a test, but since whatever the Feds giveth, the states taketh away, their shouldn’t be any evidence. On the other hand, there is clear evidence spending can affect the unemployment rate; witness the bump due to the census.
Tuesday ~ July 5th, 2011 at 6:56 am
dumdedumdum
Surely the extent of consumer indebtedness will affect how much stimulus gets saved or spent, and just now consumers are still pretty leveraed.
Tuesday ~ July 5th, 2011 at 9:59 am
AlanDownunder
Exactly, Nanute. Fiscal stimulus is at its most effective when directed at those too poor and unindebted to to either save or pay down debt. It’s an obscene waste of present or future revenue to attempt to stimulate the unneedy, but balance sheet repair is a different story. A little more inflation would help that along.
Tuesday ~ July 5th, 2011 at 11:51 am
Justin84
What rjs said.
With an ‘employer as a last resort’ program, you can offer a bit more than unemployment insurance and also avoid arbitrary cut off points (e.g. 99 weeks). Useful work also gets done.
I’d offer $430/wk for anyone with a high school diploma between the ages of 21 and 65 for full time work. That would put an income floor for $44,720/yr for a two income family.
Tuesday ~ July 5th, 2011 at 5:53 pm
Th
Can we just agree that Zandi’s original multiplier table was correct (at least comparatively) and decide never to try to jump start an economy with tax cuts again?