This is a question that popped up on twitter last night and I want to address it somewhat. First, I want to say up front that there is more agreement economists then the blogosphere and popular media would suggest. Here is Tyler Cowen making the same point, and I’d venture that most of the economist bloggers, even those who disagree with the mainstream on a lot, would agree with that.
That’s not to say there isn’t something to the critique. One of the strongest proponents of the un-scientific nature of economics is George Mason economist Russ Roberts. But I think even his criticism of the field is much more limited than most econ critics might think. His argument is that much of economics is a science, but a science like Darwinian biology:
Is economics a science because it is like Darwinian biology? Darwinian biology is very different from the physical sciences. Like economics it is a very useful way to organize your thinking about complex phenomena. But it is not a predictive or very precise science or whatever you want to call it…. Darwinism, like much of economics, exploits tautological reasoning. If the fossil record is incomplete or shows no change or vast periods or the pace of change is inconsistent with the fossil record, the theory is not discarded but modified with the concept of punctuated equilibrium. Is punctuated equilibrium true? There is no real way of knowing. It is our best hypothesis given very limited data. Is it a science? Sure. But it is a science that is unlike physics. That’s OK. It is still a very useful way of organizing one’s thinking about evolution. And the “imperfection” of biology is fine unless you really want to know when the elephant got his trunk. Then you are in unscientific territory. It doesn’t matter whether our understanding of natural selection is imperfect or that we simply don’t have enough fossil data. Biologists understand the limits of their field.
This is to say economics is a science, but a more difficult one, and with real limitations on knowability. Russ argues that economists should have more humility about the precision and certainty of their estimates, and to do otherwise is to engage in what he calls “scientism”. I am a skeptic by nature, and so I find Russ’ strong statements of epistemic humility appealing. I also think that he is generally correct that economists, and all people for that matter, have to much confidence about their beliefs. We should be humble about what we know, and what our studies have shown.
But the question is what beliefs does such skepticism leave you with? If one is going to have very skeptical take on economics, then one should extend an appropriate (although not necessarily symmetric) amount of skepticism to other sciences. For instance, here is Russ applying his skepticism to climate science and comparing it to macroeconomics:
I remain agnostic on AGW. I am not a climate scientist. But I know something about multiple regression analyses with complex phenomena. It is my impression that like macro models, these models do not perform well with out-of-sample predictions. That is, they are fitted to the past and then used to make predictions about the future. When the future does not turn out to be like the past predicted, the models are tweaked (improved!). The problem with this methodology is that the tweakers of the models are prone to confirmation bias.
But even Russ falls short of applying his own rigorous skepticism. For example, here is Robin Hanson chiding Russ for his uneven skepticism when it comes to his belief that handgun ownership deters crime.
The lesson to take from this isn’t that if you don’t believe economics is a science then you must reject climate science or believe guns deter crime. It’s that if you’re going to hold economics research to an extremely high burden of proof, then you should be prepared to subject all of your beliefs to such standards. What this will leave you with is mostly weak beliefs about the world for a lot of stuff that matters to you, whether it be about medicine, history, biology, psychology, criminal justice, climate science, or economics. Maybe widespread weak beliefs are a better approximation of the truth, I don’t know, but I do know very few people do or are willing to reason like that consistently. Maybe they should. But even here the vast majority of humanity has more belief changing to do than economists.
A final and related point I want to make is that macroeconomics is both science and engineering, as Greg Mankiw has argued in a paper that should be read (it’s very light reading, seriously) if you’re interested in delineating between the scientific and un-scientific parts of macro. Economics is also history, and moral philosophy, and contains many individual studies which in-and-of-themselves are not scientific. But economics as a field is a science in that all claims about reality must ultimately be rooted in empiricism, and models and paradigms must be falsifiable and eventually tested against reality.
It can oftentimes be difficult to see the scientific process at work in economics, as in other fields. Sometimes we are stuck at impasses where we are left with little more than theory to guide us, and sometimes empiricism is limited to testing particular model parameters, and ultimately our confidence should be limited by this. And sometimes what looks like pointless or tautological theorizing is really theorists attempting to build tools and lay groundwork for empiricists. It’s easy to look at some of this and think it un-scientific, but not all steps of the scientific process look like science.
Another question is, if economics weren’t a science, then would previous paradigms so have been done in by empirical outcomes? The old Keynesian Phillips Curve held that there was a tradeoff between inflation and unemployment. When that relationship broke down during the stagflation of the 70s, the Phillips Curve was invalidated, and this helped shift macro away from old Keynesianism and towards the new classical paradigm. Real Business Cycle models of the 80s were also invalidated by reality: it was clear that money mattered, and in the real world it was hard to find technology shocks to explain actual recessions.
The point here is that in the long-run economic paradigms and methodologies are judged by their ability to explain the real world. Even if individual contributions within the field may contain what looks like un-scientific analysis, the field proceeds as a science. Yes, it is a big field, and it isn’t hard to point to parts of sub-fields that are lacking in empiricism. But to wave you’re hand at economics in general and say it’s unscientific is to diminish a lot of important and useful work by researchers who’ve spent more time thinking hard about causality and empiricism than almost anyone who would make such a criticism. If you’re trying to convince people that economists should show more humility about what they know, then that is an awful arrogant way of going about it. People making such claims should be forced to sit down with James Heckman, John List, or Esther Duflo and explain to them why what they’re doing isn’t science and how they aren’t scientists.

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Thursday ~ March 17th, 2011 at 9:21 am
Dustin
Great post. I’m not sure how relevant this is, but your post reminded me of this Joan Robinson quote:
“The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.”
Thursday ~ March 17th, 2011 at 10:23 am
Eli
Good post. My view is that economics is a science because it makes positive claims that are falsifiable. Entirely separately, many economists act unscientifically by attaching normative significance to their positive claims or by making claims that are not falsifiable. I also think that reasonable people can disagree as to when a claim has been definitively falsified; this disagreement does not in itself make the process unscientific.
Incidentally, I think that some areas of theoretical physics veer away from science by this standard. For instance, if I met someone who studied multiverse hypotheses, my first reaction would be “Cool!” and my second would be “You’re probably not really a scientist.”
Thursday ~ March 17th, 2011 at 10:31 am
Adam Ozimek
I agree, and I do an injustice to Herr Doktor Professor Popper by not mentioning falsifiability in my post. Perhaps I will subtly insert something into the post about it…
Thursday ~ March 17th, 2011 at 11:19 pm
Greg Ransom
Popper conceded to Hayek that his “falsifiability” criterion was falsified by the example of Darwinian biology and sciences of other essentially complex phenomena which provide causal mechanisms to explain ordered patterns — e.g. like the causal mechanism and problem of order identified by Hayekian economics.
Friday ~ March 18th, 2011 at 7:05 am
Adam Ozimek
I was unaware of that, that’s very interesting. Thanks for the reference Greg.
Thursday ~ March 17th, 2011 at 10:25 am
AJ
I disagree. The problem is that there is normative form for “reality based on empiricism”. Ones perception of reality is much much different from another’s and it is this fact that makes the problems faced by economics computational and analytical nightmare. It is impossible to know ex-ante the reactions of irrational actors.
I would say that economics shares much much more in common with Engineering than a pure science.
Thursday ~ March 17th, 2011 at 10:36 am
AJ
Should have said ‘No normative form for reality, based on empiricism.
Thursday ~ March 17th, 2011 at 10:52 am
tomflesher
I agree with the claim that economics is more generally like engineering than like physics. I also thing Russ Roberts’ phrase ‘faith-based econometrics’ is a bit of a scare tactic – sure, it’s possible to abuse econometrics. That’s a failing on a statistical level, more than anything else. Bad statisticians do bad econometrics, but that doesn’t make econometrics bad.
Thanks for a solid post.
Thursday ~ March 17th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
BSE
Someone beat me to the point I wanted to make. I was going to say that physics doesn’t always “proceed as a science” either. Although I would disagree with Eli’s suggestion that the multiverse hypothesis isn’t science… I know someone who was thinking hard about how to test it, after all, and even though the experiment was implausible, it is not actually impossible.
Which is the big point. Ideas that don’t look scientific at first blush may actually be scientific.
I strongly disagree, though, about the idea that economics is anything like engineering (along with Mankiw’s characterization of the same point). I wish that were true! Not to say you can’t try to do engineering with economics, but you won’t get very far. People are not very predictable. I wonder if AJ and I are just using different definitions here, but “It is impossible to know ex-ante the reactions of irrational actors” is exactly the point I would make if I were to argue that economics can never be “engineered”. You can do science if you don’t know the ex-ante actions of irrational actors, though, in the same way that you may not be able to say exactly when one species has evolved into another, but you can still say that there was evolution: I can’t say what a PERSON, would do, but I can say what PEOPLE will do ON AVERAGE in the same situation.
Friday ~ March 18th, 2011 at 7:09 am
Adam Ozimek
You can certainly argue that policymakers in their attempts at macro-as-engineering are not very good at predicting behavior. You’re last point that “I can’t say what a PERSON, would do, but I can say what PEOPLE will do ON AVERAGE in the same situation.” is exactly right though.
Thursday ~ March 17th, 2011 at 2:20 pm
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Thursday ~ March 17th, 2011 at 2:26 pm
AJ
BSE, you said :- ‘but “It is impossible to know ex-ante the reactions of irrational actors” is exactly the point I would make if I were to argue that economics can never be “engineered’
You make a valid point. My take on it is that in practical terms I doubt if economic models vary that much in philosophy from engineering for one reason. Despite for physics governing the things that I engineer, I can never get around adding sufficient slack in my design to cover a wide range of non-idelaities, including the end user!
This is the subtle distinction I draw between (at least my kind) Engineering and pure science which seems to me would apply to economics as well.
Thursday ~ March 17th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
Anon
“economics as a field is a science in that all claims about reality must ultimately be rooted in empiricism, and models and paradigms must be falsifiable and eventually tested against reality”
My problem with this approach to the social sciences is that in the absence of controlled studies, our means of “falsifying” models are so weak that a vast number of useful models and theories are not in any practical sense falsifiable, because the same data support multiple conclusions. Thus, “tests” of falsifiability usually are just demonstrations that the model is not inconsistent with the facts. And are we really sure this low level of empiricism is actually better than a good narrative?
Thursday ~ March 17th, 2011 at 9:38 pm
JDHalvorson
I think Anon has it exactly right. These points have not been addressed by anything Adam or Tyler Cohen as said. There is not in fact agreement on models in economics in the same way there is agreement in physics, or engineering, or chemistry. In those physical sciences, whether theoretical or applied, there is agreement not just on the basic variables in the model, but on the numerical coefficients that allow derivation (prediction) of the dependent variable. And there is agreement because there is reliable prediction, with many significant digits of accuracy. And the coefficients don’t change.
In economics, there is not reliable prediction, despite protestations to the contrary. There is not a single economic model with a coefficient that has the status of a constant and can be used to make point predictions. Not one, anywhere. This is not to say that you can’t make decent predictions about matters that involve money or the exchange and production of goods. You can. But you get that from common sense too, and while you can sometimes, for a while, get better predictions from replacing common sense with models, we never identify a model that actually has well-confirmed numerical precision. You might get one significant digit of accuracy, but again, only as long as things continue as they had recently. Then social shifts occur, and the coefficients, as measured statistically, change.
Friday ~ March 18th, 2011 at 7:17 am
Adam Ozimek
Anon and JDHalvorson, there are branches that have adopted a lot of controlled experiments, but some economists would argue that because if you’re going to draw conclusions about the real world these experiments require assumptions as well, they aren’t special compared to other econometric techniques. I’m not sure I agree with that.
All your criticisms hold about common sense as well, and no you won’t find constants of behavior in the same way you will in physics. That’s the nature of reality, but I don’t see that as a criticism of economics. You’ll find a lot of disagreement and imprecise estimates in medicine too as well.
Thursday ~ March 17th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
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Thursday ~ March 17th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
BSE
AJ – the difference between us, I think, is a matter of definition more than anything else. Now, I am not an engineer; I am a scientist (I can plausibly call myself a physicist or an economist, so the current discussion includes me either way). Perhaps my definition of what constitutes engineering is different than yours and perhaps yours is the correct one. But even if so, I think economics still leans more “science” than you give it credit for.
The truth is that we economists spend almost all out time doing a) big regression studies, or b) math which hopefully illuminates some basic principle. Sometimes we’re doing complicated examples of b) which require computers, but when I think of engineering it means that someone is designing something and that sort of thing occupies such a small space of what people are doing. Even something like “optimal taxation” comes out pretty abstract from what we’re doing. We do try to make our results “robust” to people doing unexpected things, though. Think of it along the lines of statistical mechanics, if that helps.
My personal thinking is that public policy is much more of the engineering side of things: it’s building something, rather than illuminating principles and testing them.
Thursday ~ March 17th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
Dean Eckles
“If the fossil record is incomplete or shows no change or vast periods or the pace of change is inconsistent with the fossil record, the theory is not discarded but modified with the concept of punctuated equilibrium. Is punctuated equilibrium true? There is no real way of knowing. It is our best hypothesis given very limited data. Is it a science? Sure. But it is a science that is unlike physics.”
Is this unlike physics? I’m not so sure. This makes me think of Lakatos’s example of “planetary misbehavior” (this version is from the volume by Lakatos & Musgrave):
“The story is about an imaginary case of planetary misbehaviour. A physicist of the pre-Einsteinian era takes Newton’s mechanics and his law of gravitation, N, the ac- cepted initial conditions, I, and calculates, with their help, the path of a newly discovered small planet, p. But the planet deviates from the calculated path. Does our Newtonian physicist consider that the deviation was forbidden by Newton’s theory and therefore that, once established, it refutes the theory N? No. He suggests that there must be a hitherto unknown planet p’, which perturbs the path of p. He calculates the mass, orbit, etc., of this hypothetical planet and then asks an experimental astronomer to test his hypothesis. The planet p’ is so small that even the biggest available telescopes cannot possibly observe it: the experimental astronomer applies for a research grant to build yet a bigger one. In three years’ time, the new telescope is ready. Were the unknown planet p’ to be discovered, it would be hailed as a new victory of Newtonian science. But it is not. Does our scientist abandon Newton’s theory and his idea of the perturbing planet? No. He suggests that a cloud of cosmic dust hides the planet from us. He calculates the location and properties of this cloud and asks for a research grant to send up a satellite to test his calculations. Were the satellite’s instruments (possibly new ones, based on a little-tested theory) to record the existence of the conjectural cloud, the result would be hailed as an outstanding victory for Newtonian science. But the cloud is not found. Does our scientist abandon Newton’s theory, together with the idea of the perturbing planet and the idea of the cloud which hides it? No. He suggests that there is some magnetic field in that region of the universe which disturbed the instruments of the satellite. A new satellite is sent up. Were the magnetic field to be found, Newtonians would celebrate a sensational victory. But it is not. Is this regarded as a refutation of Newtonian science? No. Either yet another ingenious auxiliary hypothesis is proposed or… the whole story is buried in the dusty volumes of periodicals and the story never mentioned again.”
Thursday ~ March 17th, 2011 at 5:11 pm
Dan
As a physicist who works in evolutionary biology, I would argue that the main thing that Roberts’ article proves is that he doesn’t understand either field. Making quantitative predictions in evolutionary biology is hard, but it is doable, and we are working to get better and better at it. In fact, Roberts’ example of a question that a biologist would “laugh at” (predicting the effect of changing the number of trees on squirrel populations a decade later) is a real area of research, and is actually fairly well understood. (It’s actually ecology, not evolutionary biology, though.)
Thursday ~ March 17th, 2011 at 11:16 pm
Greg Ransom
Popper conceded to his good friend Hayek that his “falsifiability” criterion of “science” had been falsified by Darwinian biology and other sciences of essentially complex phenomena. See Popper’s autobiography and Hayek’s papers “Degrees of Explanation” and “The Theory of Complex Phenomena”.
Economics identifies a plan-like order in the world, and provides a contingent underlying causal mechanism to explain that order (learning in the context of changing prices and conditions), making it sxience for exactly the same reasons Darwinian biology is science.
As Darwin pointed out, his science doesn’t and can’t make any predictions of the kind found in physics or astronomy.
Friday ~ March 18th, 2011 at 11:27 am
Johnnie Linn
When you say “physics or astronomy” you are taking in a lot of territory, and astronomy is a subset of physics. Astronomy is a nonexperimental science par excellance, much like economics, but falsifiable hypotheses can be generated (example: there is only one kind of Cephid variable). Likewise in economics (and in Darwinian evolution, for that matter), falsifiable hypotheses can be generated.
Friday ~ March 18th, 2011 at 7:45 pm
Greg Ransom
I’m reporting Darwin’s expressed view.
A lot more could be said.
Thursday ~ March 17th, 2011 at 11:16 pm
Brett
Roberts is jumping the gun on this one, considering that we do have quantitative and experimental proof of the mechanisms of evolution. It might not be able to tell you precisely when the ancestors of elephants pick up the genes that would ultimately lead to the evolution of trunks in modern elephants, but it can tell a lot about how and why it happened.
Good point, although it’s not enough. Simply setting up the theory in a way that it is falsifiable doesn’t eliminate unknown entangling factors.
Thursday ~ March 17th, 2011 at 11:52 pm
Sam Penrose
To me the interesting question is “by failing to base itself on physics does economics rest on shaky foundations?” One version of the “yes” answer: http://earlywarn.blogspot.com/2011/02/long-term-trends-in-economic-output.html?showComment=1296846325209#c7652024220952590376
Friday ~ March 18th, 2011 at 2:43 am
govt_mule
“But economics as a field is a science in that all claims about reality must ultimately be rooted in empiricism, and models and paradigms must be falsifiable and eventually tested against reality”
This is a very weak definition of science which pretty much applies to every discipline or activity other than theology. Carpenters and cooks come up with new ideas all the time, and test their designs/dishes against reality. I don’t think that makes them scientists, nor does the fact that economic theories that clash with reality eventually get dismissed make economists scientists. I think you need a much more rigorous definition of science before assessing the field of economics.
One simple test is consistency. I’d begin to consider economics a science when a conservative and a liberal economist can test the same hypothesis (e.g. govt. workers are paid more than private sector workers) with the same data and come to the same conclusion.
Friday ~ March 18th, 2011 at 7:23 am
Adam Ozimek
I assumed it was understood we were talking about the category of fields making truth claims about the world, and that we weren’t trying to separate economists from dentists.
You will find disagreements among practitioners about what the same dataset tells you in many many fields of science. The main disagreement, especially in the example you’re talking about, is what to control for, which often comes down to different ideas of what we’re trying to measure, which can be a legitimate disagreement.
Tuesday ~ March 22nd, 2011 at 12:15 am
govt_mule
Carpenters are certainly making truth claims about the world – “if I make a chair this way, it falls apart when I sit on it – if I make it this way it stays up”. Just as valid as “if I lower central bank interest rates inflation will increase/decrease/change randomly (depending on which school you subscribe to)” or “if I raise the temperature of this gas, its volume and/or pressure will increase”. Carpenters just aren’t as snooty about it as economists and physicists.
There are cases in which there is disagreement about the meaning of a set of data. In the hard sciences they constitute a tiny fraction of the known body of knowledge, while in economics they seem to constitute the major part. That makes me uneasy about calling economics science.
Tuesday ~ March 22nd, 2011 at 7:13 am
Adam Ozimek
The question is the distinction between science and trial and error. One can certainly imagine a carpenter who makes formal propositions about a structure being capable of holding a specific amount of weight based on some theory, and then testing in repeating samples. There are a lot of obvious differences, like the use of theory, and explicitness of hypothesis.
Friday ~ March 18th, 2011 at 5:56 am
nemi
“But economics as a field is a science in that all claims about reality must ultimately be rooted in empiricism, and models and paradigms must be falsifiable and eventually tested against reality”
So – which theories has been falsified/rejected the last 30 years?
(the Philips curve wasn’t a theory)
Friday ~ March 18th, 2011 at 9:45 am
leve
Models using representative agents have been falsified both theoretically and empirically. But that doesn’t keep them from being used, and considered the core of “economics science” by the schools with the biggest endowments in the world!
Friday ~ March 18th, 2011 at 6:35 am
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Friday ~ March 18th, 2011 at 8:09 am
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Friday ~ March 18th, 2011 at 8:49 am
Norbert
Thebquestion is not whetherneconomics is a science, the question is what else it is. Like the early days of astronomy where that science was mixed up with astrology, today economists are part of our “secular priesthood” (isiah Berlin). Part of their prestige comes from the science, but a lot comes from the role that economists have played as arbiters of the economically possible, a role that often embraces the status quo and comforts the comfortable. If we knew how to disentangle the priestly pronouncements from the scientific ones this would not be a problem. But we don’t and only recently has it become clear to most of us that in many areas that count economists are as clueless as the rest of us and, moreover, are largely intoning secular prayers than fearlessly elucidating reality.
Friday ~ March 18th, 2011 at 7:01 pm
Nemi
“and comforts the comfortable.”
LOL
Good one.
Friday ~ March 18th, 2011 at 3:05 pm
Barry
A few comments – first, evolutionary biology is in fact falsifiable. It has made numerous out-of-sample predictions, and has passed them with flying colors. For one example, take everything done in molecular genetics for the past few decades. Vast quantities of animal/plant DNA have been analyzed, and molecullr trees constructed based on that analysis – data which was unobtainable until recently, and was not within the realm of plausibility when most of the biologists constructed trees based on lesser data and evolutionary theory.
The end result is something like 99% confirmation, with the disconfirming parts being down in the details, where evidence was scarce.
AGW – First, I really doubt that this professor has jack for experience with physics models. Second, the theory of global warming has made lots of predictions, starting with the prediction that the trend in overall temperature averages would go up. Those predictions were made at least 20 years ago (Hansen (sp?), 1998), and have been fulfilled. Second, there is massive confirming data showing warming on surrogates (animal and plant population changes).
Third, there is considerable out-of-sample validation, using historical data and numerous *sets* of historical proxies, going back thousands of years, combining data from different fields of study.
In short, Prof. Roberts doesn’t have the faintest idea of what he’s talking about.
Friday ~ March 18th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
Barry
Correction: “(Hansen (sp?), 1988),…”
Friday ~ March 18th, 2011 at 8:01 pm
Greg Ransom
Popper’s falsifiability criterion of “science” and the testability criterion more generally was refuted by Kuhn and Popper’s own students.
Darwinian biology provides a contingent, open-ended causal mechanism to explain patters in our experience, including design-like patterns.
The economics of Smith and Hayek does exactly the same. A contingent causal mechanism with immense and unifying explanatory power accounting for problem raising patterns in our experience = science.
Saturday ~ March 19th, 2011 at 9:44 am
Barry
Dean Eckles, there’s a term Brad DeLong has used, ‘lies told to children’. The concept is that complex truths get simplified into untrue stories, for people who can’t understand the higher levels. An example he used was ‘why do thins fall?’.
The explanation suitable for a five year old child isn’t suitable for a physics Ph.D., and vice versa.
The simplistic case of ‘one failed test fails the theory’ ignores several things:
1) Newtonian mechanics has been an incredibly successful theory, making incredible predictions from the macro-macro-macro level, down to the microscopic (stopping, of course, at the quantum level).
2) When a theory has had such predictive power, the odds are that a singel anomalous obervation is either the result of simple error, or due to some known/unkown phenomenon which wasn’t accounted for. And by ‘the odds are’, I mean millions to one, at least.
Or in short form, the story as given is as anti-Bayesian as can be.
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Saturday ~ March 26th, 2011 at 7:48 am
Joe M
I think that Russ’s point is being diminished unfairly in this article because of the semantics of the label “Science”. You may call it Science if you wish, since it is a discipline with very large amount of analysis. However, I believe he is definitely in the right when he argues that more humility is needed. I strongly question how accurate the study of economics will be in making future predictions with any degree of certainty. And I do believe there are many who believe the label “science” does suggest there is a definitive set of cause and effect rules that can be learned. Nature and therefore knowledge of anything may be more uncertain than we would like to admit or believe. So call it Science if you favor that term, in order to do justice to those who study it. But if you ask “is much more humility needed?” since there is an inexactness, and unpredictability inherant in economic theories, I would say definitely yes.
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Tuesday ~ August 16th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
Timi
TIMI:yes economives is a science because it deals with human behaviour.
Tuesday ~ August 16th, 2011 at 5:15 pm
Timi
Yes economics is a science because it deal with the study of human behaviour
Thursday ~ December 1st, 2011 at 1:53 pm
Barnavelt
Of all the definitions of Economics suggested, which one is best suited to Economics as a scientific study?
Tuesday ~ October 23rd, 2012 at 8:52 am
Dawodu babatunde
Wonderful