Economists have been so busy in recent years fighting over government policy that we have forgotten to take time to do what we do best, freakout people of all political stripes with our hyper-rationality. I will take this opportunity.
Lots of things have been said in the wake of the Arizona shootings about the need to rethink congressional security, gun laws, etc. Most of this has gotten some pushback except for the idea that the shooting is a reason to tone down rhetoric. This has lots of people nodding.
But is it true? Is the shooting a reason to tone down rhetoric?
One of the things that got everyone in a tizzy over the last few years is the debate over ObamaCare. I have argued that this is a much smaller deal than people believe because health insurance is a much smaller deal than people believe. In particular I argued that health insurance is not very effective at delivering health and so either way you slice it, its hard to break something that doesn’t work very well to begin with.
However, this is a minority view. Most people think health insurance does matter. And, indeed I could be wrong. If health insurance does matter then our health insurance policy likely matters. Especially if what is on the table is the potential to expand health insurance coverage or institute death panels. The Urban Institute for example estimated that 22,000 people a year were dying because of a lack of health insurance. Those people are just as dead as people who are murdered by a gunman. Lets use those numbers as our health insurance baseline.
Now, suppose that you have the choice of providing gruesome rhetoric that will increase the probability of a killing spree but will also increase the probability of the passage of Universal Health Insurance. Suppose using the Arizona case as a baselinewe say that the average killing spree causes the death of 6 people. Then if your rhetoric is at least 6/22,000 = 1/3667 times as likely to produce a the passage of universal health insurance as it is to induce a killing spree then you saved lives by engaging in fiery rhetoric.
Let me go over this again. Suppose that every politician and pundit chose to” tone it down” out of fear of a killing spree. Now suppose that because of that ObamaCare did not pass and the Urban Institute is correct that 22K people died every year as a result. However, the tone down also worked and there were no killing sprees. Then because of the choice of everyone to tone it down 19,994 people more people died. That is, the toning down of rhetoric killed nearly seven times as many people as were killed on 9/11. This would be among the worst policy choices available.
I used numbers that argue in favor of universal health insurance because they were easily at hand. However, the same thing holds for those who believe that Universal Health Insurance would worsen the quality of care. They too believe that at stake is the lives of thousands of people and so sensibly engage in hostile rhetoric.
One of those two positions is wrong. On net passing ObamaCare must either increase, decrease or hold constant the number of premature deaths. However, the key is to realize that its really bad to be wrong. Not that it’s really bad to engage in hostile rhetoric.
If there is one thing to take away from the shooting its that being wrong has consequences. And, if you genuinely care about the shooting death of six people then you ought to really, really care about endorsing wrong public policies which will result in the premature death of vastly more people. Hence you should devote yourself to actually discovering the right answers to these questions, rather than than coming up with ad hoc rhetoric – violent or polite – in support of the policy you happend to have been attracted to first.

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Tuesday ~ January 11th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
Eric Crampton
Don’t you have to account for the probability that the other side ratchets up the rhetoric in response, negating your effect on policy but increasing the chances of bad stuff?
I’m pro violent rhetoric though because it ever so slightly increases the chances that we get to watch Congress go into one of those Korean brawls on the floor of the House. That would be awesome. From my side, the ratcheting up effect is a plus.
Wednesday ~ January 12th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
sardonic_sob
We have had a few of those, but they tend to be less “brawls” and more “a few legislators attempt to kill each other.” And it’s been a long time.
I agree that a good rousing brawl on the House floor, limited of course to a few scraped knees and maybe a black eye or two, would be fabulous entertainment.
Tuesday ~ January 11th, 2011 at 5:14 pm
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Tuesday ~ January 11th, 2011 at 7:11 pm
drudgedawg
i have the same problem eric has with your analysis: if BOTH sides have to ratchet down their rhetoric, democrats would lose no more than republicans would in available rhetorical muscle, while still lowering the risk of a violent killing spree. i think you’d respond that the cost/benefit calculus of a less-violent-rhetoric regime isn’t zero sum: policies that require stronger advocacy to move public opinion/interest groups — health care reform among them — would likely suffer even if conservative rhetoric in opposition is also constrained because the institutional bias against health care reform requires stronger advocacy from liberals that it does opposition by conservatives.
Tuesday ~ January 11th, 2011 at 7:28 pm
jazzbumpa
Karl -
Now, suppose that you have the choice of providing gruesome rhetoric that will increase the probability of a killing spree but will also increase the probability of the passage of Universal Health Insurance.
At this point I stopped reading. Why would anybody with a semblance of a brain make such a ridiculous supposition.
Really, man – what in the hell is wrong with you?
http://www.ginandtacos.com/2011/01/10/the-unasked-question/
This has instantly vaulted to the worst Karl Smith post ever, and totally invalidates your claim of hyper-rationality. More importantly, it illustrates why thinking like an economist is a really awful waste of good brain cells
With grave disappointment,
JzB
Wednesday ~ January 12th, 2011 at 12:05 am
Apex
This post was fully rational and detached from emotion. Your comment was the exact opposite. Perhaps that is why the post’s lack of emotion set you off.
Just because you cannot detach your politics and emotion from the issue does not make your assessment of rationality remotely rational.
Wednesday ~ January 12th, 2011 at 11:12 am
sardonic_sob
Who are you replying to? There’s nobody there.
Wednesday ~ January 12th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
jazzbumpa
OK, Apex, help me out here.
Refer to the snippet I quoted, and tell me where I went wrong.
Karl’s supposition is divorced from reality. I my world, the gruesome rhetoric is specifically opposed to the passage of UHI. Not only does Karl’s presumed rhetoric not exist, I would be very interested in having you show me how it can exist.
Hence my statement about hyper-rationality.
Also, please point out my attachment to politics, and how that makes what I said not remotely rational.
S Bob – au contraire – I exist whether it pleases you or not.
Cheers!
JzB
Wednesday ~ May 4th, 2011 at 9:20 pm
Keys
Takhns for the insight. It brings light into the dark!
Tuesday ~ January 11th, 2011 at 8:09 pm
Johnnie Linn
I think it is a great post. If the right side wins, there is a payoff in reduced death. If the wrong side wins, there is a negative payoff. The gruesomeness is the same in either case. The culpability for that goes to a third economic actor.
Wednesday ~ January 12th, 2011 at 11:21 am
sardonic_sob
One of the many inevitable brilliant scenes in Terry Pratchett’s book “Going Postal” involves a confidence man who is being pursued by a rather remorseless officer of the law. The confidence man, while no coward, never uses violence and won’t carry a weapon, and at one point remonstrates that “he’s never killed anyone,” so why is so much effort being wasted on capturing HIM?
The officer, who’s spent a LOT of time thinking about this person and what they’ve done, says, “Oh, but you have. You’ve killed [some odd number] of people.” When the con man responds that he is nonviolent etc, the officer responds as follows:
“…You Have Stolen, Embezzled, Defrauded, and Swindled Without Discrimination, Mr. Lipwig. You Have Ruined Business And Destroyed Jobs. When Banks Fail, It Is Seldom Bankers Who Starve. Your Actions Have Taken Money From Those Who Had Little Enough To Begin With. In A Myriad Small Ways You Have Hastened The Deaths Of Many. You Did Not Know Them. You Did Not See Them Bleed. But You Snatched Food From Their Mouths And Tore Clothes From Their Backs. For Sport, Mr. Lipwig. For Sport. For The Joy Of The Game.”
All actions have consequences. For another example, see Mark Twain’s “The War Prayer,” and the Angel’s explanation of how every prayer has a part spoken, and a part unspoken.
http://warprayer.org/
Wednesday ~ January 12th, 2011 at 11:28 am
sardonic_sob
Incidentally, the officer’s speech, in the text of the book, is represented With All Words Capitalized for a narrative reason, it’s not a mistake.
Tuesday ~ January 11th, 2011 at 10:25 pm
Sister Y
I wonder if this is simply a question about whether there should be rules of engagement.
Wednesday ~ January 12th, 2011 at 1:36 am
Johnnie Linn
The business of government is to impose the desires of some people, by force, upon others. Government is warfare. So expect to see the rhetoric of warfare by people making their desires known. It is part of the rules of engagement, as you put it, as is voting.
Wednesday ~ January 12th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
Sister Y
I was referring to the question of whether there should be rules of engagement at all (in wars or any kind of dispute).
Actually, now I see that’s not the whole issue – it’s just the part of the issue that Karl Smith’s example is directed toward. If I could prevent 22,000 units of dead people by allowing 6 little units of atrocity, shouldn’t I do it? But as drudgedawg mentions, rules of engagement apply to both sides equally, so perhaps rules of engagement have utilitarian justifications, even if you don’t believe in agent-relative reasons.
The issue is not whether there should be any rules of engagement (Karl is not arguing that we shoot 6 people ourselves to prevent 22,000 deaths). The deeper issue, not addressed by the example, is whether speech is a proper target for rules of engagement.
Wednesday ~ January 12th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
Johnnie Linn
Article 1, Section 6 of the Constitution provides that for members of Congress, “for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.”
The Framers knew that speech by lawmakers, the elected representatives of the people, should be as untrammeled as possible.
Outside the House, the speech of members are not so legally untrammeled, but if their speech outside the House is ancillary to their business in the House, it should be given high protection. Also, those who campaign for seats in the House, or those who are supportive of such campaigns, should be given high protection.
Wednesday ~ January 12th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
sardonic_sob
If you really want to bake people’s noodles, apply this concept to interfaith relations. If you’re a Christian of most denominations*, you believe that following other religions (or no religion) will get you sent to HELL. For ALL ETERNITY. Therefore, anybody who proselytizes for those religions is as blackly evil as it is possible for a human being to be: they aren’t just getting people killed, they’re DAMNING THEIR SOULS. What is the appropriate level of violent rhetoric to apply to said blackly evil persons?
*Please note that this could apply just as strongly to Muslims and several other religions: I am not picking sides.
Wednesday ~ January 12th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
wgray
Is there really a tradeoff between the vehemence of political rhetoric and our ability to make rational choices? I doubt it. This seems like a simple example of the prisoner’s dilemma to me.
Democrats and Republicans each have an interest in proving the other party wrong, using violent rhetoric if necessary. In game theory parlance, this creates a Nash Equilibrium whereby both parties are forced to use underhanded rhetoric to remain politically competitive. Of course, this is different than the Pareto-Optimal outcome whereby both parties would speak calmly and rationally about the issue, so as to better weigh each side of the argument.
Your cost-benefit analysis really only makes sense if we can be absolutely sure that one side is right and the other wrong. But in order to do that we’d need a meaningful national debate regarding the health-care bill, which won’t happen without calm rationality. Your analysis begs the question.
Thursday ~ January 13th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
TequilaKid
wgray makes the elementary blunder of assuming that the deplorable political makeup of this country will persist forever. The giveaway: “The Republicrats … bla bla bla.” I think we should make a minimal effort to think outside the box, and the Republicrat duopoly is the most vulgar, prominent and obnoxious box I have ever encountered. To accept the Republicrat duopoly as a fact of life is an act of reckless stupidity.
A constitutional convention should be convened at once that would impose mandatory proportional representation and deliver us from the crypto-Stalinist two-party system that is ruining us.
Friday ~ January 14th, 2011 at 2:33 pm
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