Bob Murphy comments on my debate with Jim Manzi. He concludes
[Smith’s] self-described “defense of economics” (by which he means mainstream macroeconomics) doesn’t recognize that the empirical record is entirely consistent with those models being horrible.
Let me put it in other words: The Austrian critique of artificially low interest rates is that they fuel an unsustainable boom, sowing the seeds for an eventual crash. Yes, after a particular collapse, it’s possible for the central bank to do it all again. This might appear to give a “soft landing,” and indeed people might laud the Maestro for his deft manipulation of the federal-funds rate.
But tinkering with electronic bank reserves doesn’t expand the actual supply of capital goods. Eventually, the inflationary chickens will come home to roost. The ultimate bankruptcy of monetary pump priming — of flooding the credit markets with money printed out of thin air — occurs when short-term interest rates hit zero, and can go no further.
So I should start by saying that I don’t know enough about the modern Austrian critique to offer a full rebuttal of the entire school of thought. I hope Bob continues the dialog and that through it we can both learn more.
I can address the points that Bob brings up.
First, is that Fed policy has at times been less than ideal. You won’t get arguments from me on this one. Though, I think its for different reasons. Currently, of course I think that the problem is that monetary policy has been too tight.
However, saying that the money supply could have been managed better is different than saying that our understanding of how monetary policy works is wrong. For one thing our understanding has evolved considerably over the last half century. For another, the all central banks seem nervous about taking the steps proscribed by theory.
Second, Bob seems to be implying that that monetary policy can’t influence the stock of capital goods but he does recognize that monetary policy can induce a “boom.” The problem with this assertion is that capital investment rises during booms.
Here are GDP, Investment in Nonresidential Structures and Investment in Equipment and Software, all plotted on the same scale.

As you can see Investment in capital is actually more volatile than the overall economy and moves with it. Here GDP is scaled on the right so that co-movement is more clear.

If we believe that monetary policy can cause booms then we believe that monetary policy can cause changes in investment.
Now my sense of Austrian business cycle theory was that it acknowledged this but argued that we would cause malinvestment. That is, we would cause investment in things which should not have been invested in. Eventually people will realize this and the economy will crash.
My issue with this is that if the Fed is causing too much investment this implies that people should have been consuming more, either in the form of more consumption goods or more leisure. The problem with the consumption goods story is that consumption moves along with investment and overall GDP.
Here is consumption added to the same graph

On one level this is obvious since consumption and investment are the main components of GDP. However, it could be the case that they are moving opposite yet the affect of investment swaps the moves in consumption. This doesn’t seem to be what happens. People consume less and invest less.
You could say that people should be engaging in more leisure instead of this consumption and investment. It is true that Aggregate Hours worked moves counter to all of these trends.
However, the loss in hours worked is related strongly to unemployment and people seem to dislike being unemployed. Few people comment that the problem with the boom is that I was working more than I should have and then I suddenly realized I should be taking time off.
Some economists have suggested this but it doesn’t resonate with what people actually experience.
So, we are left with the question: what malady is the Fed creating when it lowers the interest rate too much. It isn’t swapping investment for consumption and people seem to prefer working to not working.
My answer would be that if the Fed lowers too much it will generate inflation. That is the increase in what people try to buy will outstrip the increase in the amount people work. This will lead to people trying to purchase more goods and services than exist. When quantity demanded is greater than quantity supplied price will tend to rise to restore equilibrium. When this happens to all goods at roughly the same time we get inflation. [1]
Indeed, we see that inflation rises during booms and falls during recessions.
Here is inflation added to all of other trends

The graph is getting crowded but I think its important to make the point that all of these things: GDP growth, Investment Growth, Consumption Growth, Price Growth all move together.
This is the basis for my claim – the standard claim – that the goal of monetary policy is to balance increases in inflation against increases in real growth. Indeed, on a deeper level we want to balance inflation against increases in unemployment.
Ultimately whether or not people want real growth in output or not is a personal choice. We could take all increases in productivity as leisure if we wanted. What’s bad is when people are looking for a job but cannot find one.
Now there are further questions about why there is unemployment in the first place. This is, of course not obvious from a basic supply and demand analysis. It is this question that mainstream macroeconomics tries to answer.
I sense that taking the conversation further is going to require discussion of the issue of asset bubbles. However, I’ll let Bob reply before going into that.
1 Economists like to think in real terms but I am speaking explicitly in nominal ones. There is a money price that people pay and it is this money price that can rise in all markets at the same time and it is nominal demand that can exceed nominal supply. However, this does still have to work its way through the goods markets. For the price of some good to rise the nominal demand for it must rise. We cannot have immaculate inflation. That is, contrary to what is sometimes asserted, the printing of money in-and-of-itself cannot cause inflation. Someone must use that money to attempt to buy something. The quantity demanded in that market must then exceed the quantity supplied. Only then can prices rise.

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Tuesday ~ December 21st, 2010 at 2:45 am
MorallyBankrupt
As you rightly noted,
OK. I’m going to try really hard to make some sense, but please excuse me if I don’t. This is my first attempt at putting this in words.
Part of the problem is that price-inflation during booms tends to affect the way we think about cost of living and we end up working increasing amounts as a result. If wage-inflation can’t keep up, we turn to credit to “lock-in” prices and fix our payments rather than risk being locked-out as a result of inflation. I saw many young co-workers, couples with good jobs and college degrees, resort to bar-backing, valet-parking and hostessing for extra-income just to be able to afford a home-payment because they were afraid that once they started a family they’d be locked out of the market and rents would be prohibitive. When they saw the P/R ratio, they didn’t see ridiculous prices, they saw the risk of rising rents.
This is not some micro sob story. The moral of that story is that, at the margin, people were willing to discount their labor because they were so desperate for income. These were not speculators. These were hedgers. The point here is that the phenomenon of over-work is linked to price-inflation. Just like artificially low interest rates can cause misallocation of money, artificially high price-inflation can cause misallocation of labor & time.
Basically, I’m saying that part of the reason for a low UR during a asset-price boom-phase is not only a result of high-demand of labor, it is also driven by the high demand for work. If you think this is outrageous then take a look at real HH-incomes below the 4th quintile (http://blog.morallybankrupt.org/2010/09/look-at-real-household-income-1967-2009.html)
Asset-price inflation (credit booms) can skew people’s perspective of how much they need to work. Sure, asset-owners get a wealth-effect, but younger people start taking whatever jobs they can at increasingly subdued wages just to keep-up. This not only puts downward pressure on wages, but edges out the bottom tiers aggravating income gaps. When you got guys with MS degrees moonlighting as valet parking attendants, where do the HS drop-outs go?
In essence, I want to say that looking at one macro market is ridiculous. Just like asset-price inflation and the wealth effect led to people feeling like they had excess savings and driving discretionary consumption amongst them, it ended up subduing discretionary consumption amongst those that didn’t experience it. In essence, a giant transfer of wealth from the working young to the asset-holding older generations.
Post-crisis low rates that increased the price of assets are a final, giant fuck you to us young people. We are un(der)employed and overleveraged because of non-repudiatable student loans for education we can’t use, so we don’t get to participate in low interest rates, our savings yield little and asset prices are being kept artificially out of our reach. Sure, middle-aged people with 401ks and home-equity recouped their losses and got refis. What did young people get? Underwater homes if lucky, no chance for real yields in savings, supported asset-prices keeping us excluded and a lack of jobs. This sucks.
I’m not blaming anybody, I’m just saying that maybe the government and Fed should stop “helping”. It’s not like it could get that much worse.
Tuesday ~ December 21st, 2010 at 4:17 pm
MorallyBankrupt
In retrospect I apologize for this rant. It was late and I got carried away. The only thing I wanted to say was that even though you brought up work vs leisure time, i wanted to add an example where people–seemingly irrationally–are willing to discount their labor at the margin, messing with the shape of the individual workers’ supply curves. The only way I can explain this is possibly low (declining?) price elasticity of demand for wages.
Maybe its just people not acting like homo economicus, but I see people willing to sell their labor at the margin monlighting for prices they would be insulted by in their day jobs.
Tuesday ~ December 21st, 2010 at 4:50 am
jsalvati
You should capitalize Austrian Business Cycle theory because there are two Austrian theories which involve business cycles, Austrian Business Cycle theory and Monetary Equilibrium theory. Monetary Equilibrium theory mostly agrees with mainstream macro (especially Nick Rowe’s interpretation of mainstream macro), though I think it has a much clearer and more rigorous way of discussing the issues.
Tuesday ~ December 21st, 2010 at 12:30 pm
Greg Ransom
Hayekian macro explains how the artificial boom will give you both malinvestment and over consumption at the same time.
This is Hayekian macro 101.
See the very clear explications by Roger Garrison, available at his web site.
Tuesday ~ December 21st, 2010 at 2:08 pm
Karl Smith
This is what I am looking for – so I saw the Power point presentation. How would rate that on fidelity to the what you see as Hayekian Macro 101?
Tuesday ~ December 21st, 2010 at 12:54 pm
Lord
Me thinks young people do protest too much. They were not passive in the face of asset appreciation; to a large extent they created it in how they reacted to rates and fear of being left behind. They should be glad rates are low; they aren’t the primary owners anyway. Complain they are underwater and prices are too high. Too high or too low, which is it? Complain of overwork and unemployment, which is it? They just got caught up in the bubble, acted foolishly, and now look for others to blame for it. They should look in the mirror.
Tuesday ~ December 21st, 2010 at 9:48 pm
Greg Ransom
Garrison is very good at “Hayekian Macro 101″.
“This is what I am looking for – so I saw the Power point presentation. How would rate that on fidelity to the what you see as Hayekian Macro 101?”
But note well, Garrison really doesn’t do advanced Hayekian macro — call it Hayekian Macro 201 — Hayek’s own work is broader in scope and takes in more issues than addressed by Garrison, e.g. Hayek goes into capital theory in a way not addressed by Garrison, similarly Hayek goes into the causal role of banking and finance in the generation of a trade cycle exclusive of central bank pathology, a situation Garrison doesn’t address, etc.
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