I’m a tad bit late on commenting on the tax compromised reached between the White House and Republicans, but I think that there has been some fairly high-quality commentary around the blogosphere. I stand mostly with the reasonable left in supporting what was put into the package, even though we got the wrong payroll tax cut, and a strange and potentially politically deadly compromise on the Estate tax (which I otherwise oppose, but wouldn’t let my positing get in the way of providing economic stimulus, like some on the left).
Mark Thoma worries that the payroll tax cut will become permanent (edit: found the link). This is the mirror of the argument that government spending tends to become permanent, as well…which I have an inkling that Mark doesn’t mind that feature so much.
I think Kevin Drum misses a grand opportunity to call out to the left to articulate a better way forward here:
In the end, this is the second stimulus we all wanted. It’s not a very efficient stimulus, and it sadly caves into the conservative snake oil that the sum total of fiscal policy is tax cuts, but them’s the breaks. Anyone who doesn’t like it needs to spend the next two years persuading the public not just to tell pollsters they don’t like tax cuts for the rich, but to actually vote out of office anyone who supports tax cuts for the rich. That’s the only way we’ll win the replay of this battle in 2012.
I’m not looking to go tit-for-tat on whether direct government spending/investment is “more efficient” than providing payroll tax cuts, as it’s pretty clear which side we are both on (as I’m much less sanguine on the Keynesian consumption function, for a reasonable view from the other side, see here), however I do want to address his prescription of a public awareness campaign in order to return to “normal”, with normal being defined as roughly “Clinton-era tax rates” on capital and high incomes.
I view this very compromise as a golden opportunity for the left to reinvent themselves with regard to taxation, win an adjacent political battle (and a dear progressive goal), and wrap it all up in a bow that not only makes our government funding more efficient, but lowers tax rates for virtually everyone. And that is to begin a campaign of gradually removing the income tax, in exchange for a revenue-neutral tax on carbon, which would be gradually instituted as the income tax was phased out. In addition, offer an automatic stabilization policy of payroll tax cuts (all of them, or at least all of the “employers share” — the better side to cut — in exchange for a sharply more progressive payroll tax, used to fund Social Security and Medicare/caid. Institute a progressive VAT or GST with a standard deduction of the first $25,000 of income for all taxpayers, and expand a means tested EITC, as well. You could trade this for elimination of minimum wages, but that’s not a real pressing problem in my mind. At the end of the line, offer a land tax in exchange for really whatever the right happens to want for it. Repeal of the estate tax, maybe?
That would be a real “progressive” package that would end the debate regarding the level of income taxation (from any source; labour, capital, etc). It would simplify our tax code, and get rid of ridiculous inefficiencies like the mortgage income tax deduction. More importantly, contrary to our current tax code, the new consumption-based funding of government would encourage a greater savings and investment equilibrium.
Beyond the scope of this post — but relevant — is different ways that you can find to streamline efficiency of the government. I seem to remember an argument put forth by Matt Yglesias that I personally agree with (and can’t find the link to currently), and find it baffling that it is so often overlooked; and that is that there are some government workers whose marginal utility is so low, that paying them anything at all constitutes overpayment. So it’s not a question of overpayment, it’s a question of marginal utility. At the margin, is society gaining utility by paying various individuals? If yes, then pay them. If not, then don’t.
That aside, I do think that this is a unique opportunity for Democrats to articulate a new vision for government funding that better enables elements of the welfare state that they hold so dear, this is highly progressive, removes the distortions and bad incentives created by the income tax, and genuinely makes the economy more efficient — facilitating growth. It could be a popular platform, and one that I would vote Democrat for, and I’ll be that many other pragmatic libertarians would feel the same way.
Of course, at the end of the day, I still believe that monetary policy is the last mover. The Fed has quietly indicated that it is looking at extending QE2, which is definitely good for the prospects of any pet fiscal policy.

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Wednesday ~ December 8th, 2010 at 1:39 am
Mark Thoma
You should limit your comments to what I actually say instead of trying to pin me with inaccurate “inklings.” I’ve been pretty clear about the need to make this temporary, e.g. so that fiscal policy will be credibly available the next time we need to use it and promise it will be temporary among other reasons (this is something I’ve been writing about for years before the current recession).
Wednesday ~ December 8th, 2010 at 1:43 am
Niklas Blanchard
Thanks for the comment, and I didn’t mean any disrespect by my comment. I think that it is very valid that it is “hard to turn a ship”, especially when interests in direction become entrenched.
I have read your posts about the subject, but unfortunately I’m a disorganized cataloger. Do you have a link to your post (I believe it was at MoneyWatch)? I can’t find it anywhere!
Wednesday ~ December 8th, 2010 at 12:50 pm
IVV
I’m curious about a plan to reduce the employer’s payroll tax, and increase the progressivity of the employee’s payroll tax.
First, even when we’re talking about a highly compensated employee, we’re still talking about an employee; i.e. someone compensated mainly by paying wages on labor. Once we start taking about the top 1% of Americans, we’re talking about people who are increasingly compensated by nonwage items: returns on investments and the like. Would such a tax accrue to the rich, or mainly to the upper middle class?
Secondly, would such a scheme merely serve to incent highly compensated employees and employers to shift compensation into these nonwage items? Shouldn’t we expect a lot of executives (and middle managers) to simply take home more stock options and have larger expense accounts, while still being “paid” only $50k in salary?
Would this be better or worse?
Wednesday ~ December 8th, 2010 at 7:03 pm
Niklas Blanchard
The key is consumption. Unless an extremely wealthy person simply saves his entire fortune made from capital income by moving the money between investments in equities, real estate, bonds, etc. (which is not a bad thing from society’s point of view), then the ultra-wealthy are going to run into both the progressive VAT, which you can of course adjust to suit the demands of equity. The rich, generally, consume more income per capita (absolute income) than everyone else, so they would end up running into the tax more often.
They would also disproportionately pay carbon taxes due to higher rate of distance travel (although such a tax would incentivize teleconferencing) and possibly due to bigger homes, and cars. The fact that rich people own proportionately more land would cause their land tax incidence to be higher, as well.
You can certainly capture the socially beneficial amount of revenue even if eliminating the income/capital gains tax causes a shift to capital income. And if the rich are not consuming their income, then they are just adding to the capital stock, which promotes future productivity and growth.
Wednesday ~ December 8th, 2010 at 2:25 pm
Lord
A carbon tax would be an improvement, but it is a tax and thus out of consideration, even as an offset. A sharply more progressive payroll tax would just be lifting the cap, but is again a tax. If business was investing their profits, cutting the employer side would make sense, but they aren’t, so cutting the employee side is more likely to be effective in increasing demand given the regressive structure. This is a demand, not a supply problem. Thank the Fed and Fox for that because it shouldn’t be the case. We already have a tax on ‘land’, it is just that property taxes are local rather than federal, and again is a tax.
Wednesday ~ December 8th, 2010 at 10:39 pm
Ryan Vann
Good to see Mark is as oversensitive as always.
Anyway, your scheme sounds like a mess to me, but maybe I can get some clarity. When you write “offer an automatic stabilization policy of payroll tax cuts in exchange for a sharply more progressive payroll tax, used to fund Social Security and Medicare,” what precisely do you have in mind here. At what percentages of negative growth would these stabilizers kick in, and what percent would be cut? Furthermore, wouldn’t the short term nature of this suffer from Ricardian equivalence.?
VAT and Carbon Taxes I don’t understand the infatuation with. From the progressive perspective, I don’t see how VAT is progressive. Lower and middle incomes both spend larger percents of their incomes on crap, and are most likely to take on debt to buy stuff. From a strictly administrative point of view, VAT (as are all sales taxes) is a mess to collect, and there are market share incentives for fraud that don’t necessarily exist with income taxes. The typical narrative in favor of VAT is some sort of esoterica about risk free interest rates, maybe you can help me out there.
Moreover, in a post outlining the tendency for governments to keep things in place, I find it weird you even bother arguing for a trade. I see a VAT as being added but the Income tax staying, and me taking a good shafting in the process. I don’t see the right going for land tax in exchange for anything. I’m not sure what land value to income ratios look like for income brackets, but there might be some regressiveness there too. And again, you want to add more taxes that have to be collected? I don’t get it.
Totally on board with you about the bureaucrats thing. It would probably be better to just pay some of these folks to not work. Lastly, I think the Democrats would be hard pressed to articulate any of this; hell your exposition wasn’t that great, and I generally understand you. Afterall, these are the sames guys whose president elect recently decried not being coherent enough about his health-care policy.
Friday ~ April 1st, 2011 at 9:22 pm
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