So in my last post I brought up Hitler, which reminded me of Godwin’s Law.
As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1
Now this, which Godwin’s original version, isn’t as bad as most formulations of the law which go something like this
If an internet thread goes on long enough someone will eventually bring up Hitler
I highlighted enough because that makes the typical formulation into a tautology. How long is long enough? Well as long as it takes for someone to bring up Hitler.
So, what you are saying is that if we wait long enough for someone to bring up Hitler then someone will bring up Hitler? Revolutionary insight.
Godwin’s a pretty smart guy so it turns out he was clever enough to avoid the tautology. But, his formulation is only ever so slightly better.
Why?
Well, depending on the constraints you want to place on the evolution of the universe – and I will admit there are some that are meaningfully binding – the probability of anything happening approaches one as time goes forward.
This is because at any time there is some positive probability of a realization of any set of feasible set of quantum states. We know mentioning Hitler is feasible and so eventually even if just by pure deep random chance it will happen.
Indeed, in some branch of the multiverse it will happen with probability one.
What we want to say is that there exists some duration of time T, such that the probability of observing a mention of Hitler goes to one as the duration of the discussion goes to T.
Now, is there any point to this rant? No, none whatsoever. But I have been pissed about this sort of thing ever since I heard Arthur C. Clarke’s much quoted tautology on technology and magic.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic
And, in some branch of the multiverse I was bound to bitch about it with probability one. Consider yourselves lucky or victims of inevitability, as the case may be.

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Friday ~ August 13th, 2010 at 2:49 pm
blokeinfrance
And I always find my car keys / reading glasses in the last place I looked.
Why?
Because after I find them I stop looking.
(Is this a variant of Keynes’ “when circumstances change, I change my mind”?)
No
Friday ~ August 13th, 2010 at 6:02 pm
Apex
That is a pretty funny post and I sympathize with it.
However wouldn’t you say that even if the law is a little bit of hyperbole that generally it’s accepted because so many people have experienced it that it resonates with them.
For example if the law said that the probability of a comparison to William Howard Taft approached 1, it would not really be any less of a near tautology would it? Yet I don’t think that would resonate with anyone.
And concerning the Clarke magic tautology. Wouldn’t you say that also would not resonate unless most people could think of new technologies that when they first saw them seemed like magic. If there were nearly no instances of such things people would not find the statement meaningful. But since many people have experienced a new technology that did seem almost magical when first encountered that it resonates. The point of the tautology being that if a new technology does not seem magical to you then it hasn’t really advanced very much because our past experiences are such that when we see something that seems revolutionary it also seems nearly magical.
Is this truly so horrible an observation that a tautology about it is crap?
Friday ~ August 13th, 2010 at 6:51 pm
jazzbumpa
You can evade the tautology by saying that any technology that YOU DON”T UNDERSTAND is indistinguishable from magic. (Cue aboriginals who think that cameras steal their souls.) And I thought it came from Heinlein, but, oh well.
Anyway, good post.
BTW, Hauser’s law is a crappy tautology, too.
Cheers!
JzB