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		<title>By: Explaining the US housing boom: land use restrictions &#124; Beats and Pieces</title>
		<link>http://modeledbehavior.com/2010/07/25/did-regulation-cause-the-housing-crisis/#comment-4558</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Explaining the US housing boom: a better attempt &#124; Beats and Pieces</title>
		<link>http://modeledbehavior.com/2010/07/25/did-regulation-cause-the-housing-crisis/#comment-4549</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 15:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Wodehouse</title>
		<link>http://modeledbehavior.com/2010/07/25/did-regulation-cause-the-housing-crisis/#comment-4205</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 02:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matt S.

Australia had interest rates consistently 2 to 3 times as high as the USA&#039;s, but have still had a house price bubble that matches California pre-crash. And this bubble has inflated another 25% in the last 2 years. So clearly there is no stopping people once they have these expectations in their heads -even though they have the negative example of California displayed for all to see.

An Australian economist, Alan Moran, has written an excellent book (also online as a PDF) called &quot;The Tragedy of Planning&quot;. He analyses numerous factors that apply to housing markets in different nations and proves that it is urban growth boundaries that are responsible for the bubbles. All the other factors have counter-examples somewhere in the world that disprove them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt S.</p>
<p>Australia had interest rates consistently 2 to 3 times as high as the USA&#8217;s, but have still had a house price bubble that matches California pre-crash. And this bubble has inflated another 25% in the last 2 years. So clearly there is no stopping people once they have these expectations in their heads -even though they have the negative example of California displayed for all to see.</p>
<p>An Australian economist, Alan Moran, has written an excellent book (also online as a PDF) called &#8220;The Tragedy of Planning&#8221;. He analyses numerous factors that apply to housing markets in different nations and proves that it is urban growth boundaries that are responsible for the bubbles. All the other factors have counter-examples somewhere in the world that disprove them.</p>
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		<title>By: Wodehouse</title>
		<link>http://modeledbehavior.com/2010/07/25/did-regulation-cause-the-housing-crisis/#comment-4204</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wodehouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 02:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Adam, that is cute. &quot;Find me a country where the housing market is mostly free market&quot;. Having destroyed all free markets, the left&#039;s main argument now is, &quot;show me a free market&quot; and we&#039;ll see how well it is working. 

As it happens, the ONLY housing markets that did NOT have a speculative bubble, are the low-regulation, non-urban-growth-boundary markets that do still exist in parts of the USA and Canada. Is that not enough evidence?

Oh, Germany and Japan were still recovering from previous collapsed bubbles. But note Oliver Hartwich&#039;s study of how Germany has developed a regulatory environment that avoids housing unaffordability. The study is called &quot;Bigger Better Faster More&quot;. 

It is actually not hard to calculate how loose urban growth regulation needs to be to avoid the land supply being cornered by &quot;land bankers&quot;. There needs to be so much free land, that it would be uneconomic for any land banker to hold it for the duration of the &quot;x&quot; years worth of &quot;supply&quot; contained within the growth boundary. 

&quot;x&quot; years needs to relate to demand at PRE BUBBLE price levels. Of course &quot;years supply&quot; drops as prices go up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam, that is cute. &#8220;Find me a country where the housing market is mostly free market&#8221;. Having destroyed all free markets, the left&#8217;s main argument now is, &#8220;show me a free market&#8221; and we&#8217;ll see how well it is working. </p>
<p>As it happens, the ONLY housing markets that did NOT have a speculative bubble, are the low-regulation, non-urban-growth-boundary markets that do still exist in parts of the USA and Canada. Is that not enough evidence?</p>
<p>Oh, Germany and Japan were still recovering from previous collapsed bubbles. But note Oliver Hartwich&#8217;s study of how Germany has developed a regulatory environment that avoids housing unaffordability. The study is called &#8220;Bigger Better Faster More&#8221;. </p>
<p>It is actually not hard to calculate how loose urban growth regulation needs to be to avoid the land supply being cornered by &#8220;land bankers&#8221;. There needs to be so much free land, that it would be uneconomic for any land banker to hold it for the duration of the &#8220;x&#8221; years worth of &#8220;supply&#8221; contained within the growth boundary. </p>
<p>&#8220;x&#8221; years needs to relate to demand at PRE BUBBLE price levels. Of course &#8220;years supply&#8221; drops as prices go up.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Ozimek</title>
		<link>http://modeledbehavior.com/2010/07/25/did-regulation-cause-the-housing-crisis/#comment-4146</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adam Ozimek]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 01:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[According to Russ Roberts most EU countries had something like Fannie and Freddie as well. Find me a country where the housing market is mostly free market. My guess is you&#039;ll have to go to countries that are mostly without governments, e.g. Somalia.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to Russ Roberts most EU countries had something like Fannie and Freddie as well. Find me a country where the housing market is mostly free market. My guess is you&#8217;ll have to go to countries that are mostly without governments, e.g. Somalia.</p>
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		<title>By: Wodehouse</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RJS is absolutely right. Check out the OECD Report &quot;A Bird&#039;s-eye view of OECD Housing Markets&quot;. This is not just the USA.

The only factor that EVERYONE got wrong, was the urban limits. Not everyone had Freddie Mac, the HUD, the CRA, lack of capital gains taxes, etc etc. Why are so many people so anxious to blame every factor that DOESN&#039;T explain this, and ignore the only facor that DOES?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RJS is absolutely right. Check out the OECD Report &#8220;A Bird&#8217;s-eye view of OECD Housing Markets&#8221;. This is not just the USA.</p>
<p>The only factor that EVERYONE got wrong, was the urban limits. Not everyone had Freddie Mac, the HUD, the CRA, lack of capital gains taxes, etc etc. Why are so many people so anxious to blame every factor that DOESN&#8217;T explain this, and ignore the only facor that DOES?</p>
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		<title>By: Wodehouse</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Phoenix and Las Vegas are hemmed in by Federal-govt owned land.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phoenix and Las Vegas are hemmed in by Federal-govt owned land.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Yglesias &#187; Land Use and Real Estate Bubbles</title>
		<link>http://modeledbehavior.com/2010/07/25/did-regulation-cause-the-housing-crisis/#comment-4101</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew Yglesias &#187; Land Use and Real Estate Bubbles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 13:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://modeledbehavior.com/2010/07/25/did-regulation-cause-the-housing-crisis/#comment-4038</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 06:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sorry, I thought that this post was addressing regulation and causes of the US housing crisis since it discusses Fannie/Freddie and data from 326 US cities.  My bad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, I thought that this post was addressing regulation and causes of the US housing crisis since it discusses Fannie/Freddie and data from 326 US cities.  My bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt S.</title>
		<link>http://modeledbehavior.com/2010/07/25/did-regulation-cause-the-housing-crisis/#comment-3982</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt S.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 18:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wasn&#039;t the world awash in money as a matter monetary policy? Wasn&#039;t the policy direction from the top down to encourage (stimulate) consumer spending, that great engine of prosperity?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t the world awash in money as a matter monetary policy? Wasn&#8217;t the policy direction from the top down to encourage (stimulate) consumer spending, that great engine of prosperity?</p>
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		<title>By: rjs</title>
		<link>http://modeledbehavior.com/2010/07/25/did-regulation-cause-the-housing-crisis/#comment-3981</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rjs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 18:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[did fannie and freddie cause the housing bubble in spain?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>did fannie and freddie cause the housing bubble in spain?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 18:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that this will be very hard to prove.  There is a much stronger case that lack of government regulation is more of the cause of the meltdown.  Back in the 80&#039;s, bond trader Lou Raineri and Solomon Brothers set up the mortgage-backed securities scheme, which included government entities buying up much of the debt (Fannie/Freddie).  These entities were really the only one&#039;s big enough to handle this type of transaction.  This government involvement was really a hand-out to Wall Street, not so much a politically motivated move to give mortgages to poor people (although this talking point didn&#039;t hurt).  Incidentally, Lou Raineri and Wall Street got rich.  The name of the game was originating as many mortgages as possible, to be sold, re-sold, and eventually pooled for securities.  Everyone in the scheme made tons of money, and Fannie/Freddie were generally left holding the majority of the risk.  

In order to originate as many mortgages as possible, unregulated fly-by-night lenders came up with &quot;no doc&quot; loans (where the borrowers do not have to show any proof of income).  You just walk in to the unregulated mortgage company and pretend that you make $1 million a year.  You get a huge loan, no questions asked.  Keep in mind that mortgages used to be regulated by a rule that required an FDIC institution to issue them.  However, the mortgage lobby came up with unregulated &quot;mortgage companies&quot; that skirted this regulation, allowing no-doc loans.

This scheme also promotes fraud on the part of the originators.  Under a legal principle known as &quot;holder in due course,&quot; the holder of the mortgage cannot be sued for fraud committed before he bought the mortgage.  In general, the fly-by-night originators are out of business every few months, changing names and locations frequently, so they can&#039;t be sued.  Now, anyone trying to sue for fraud has to go after the entity holding the mortgage.  However, that won&#039;t stick because the entity is a &quot;holder in due course.&quot;  The homeowner is out of luck.  This protection for the holder, usually a large Wall Street firm, or Fannie/Freddie, added to the problem.  Again, government did not regulate this.

I think that there is a better argument that this scheme, with the no-doc loans, the selling and re-selling, the pooling and securitization, and faulty risk calculations caused this problem.  All of this was allowed because of a lack of regulation, not the other way around.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that this will be very hard to prove.  There is a much stronger case that lack of government regulation is more of the cause of the meltdown.  Back in the 80&#8242;s, bond trader Lou Raineri and Solomon Brothers set up the mortgage-backed securities scheme, which included government entities buying up much of the debt (Fannie/Freddie).  These entities were really the only one&#8217;s big enough to handle this type of transaction.  This government involvement was really a hand-out to Wall Street, not so much a politically motivated move to give mortgages to poor people (although this talking point didn&#8217;t hurt).  Incidentally, Lou Raineri and Wall Street got rich.  The name of the game was originating as many mortgages as possible, to be sold, re-sold, and eventually pooled for securities.  Everyone in the scheme made tons of money, and Fannie/Freddie were generally left holding the majority of the risk.  </p>
<p>In order to originate as many mortgages as possible, unregulated fly-by-night lenders came up with &#8220;no doc&#8221; loans (where the borrowers do not have to show any proof of income).  You just walk in to the unregulated mortgage company and pretend that you make $1 million a year.  You get a huge loan, no questions asked.  Keep in mind that mortgages used to be regulated by a rule that required an FDIC institution to issue them.  However, the mortgage lobby came up with unregulated &#8220;mortgage companies&#8221; that skirted this regulation, allowing no-doc loans.</p>
<p>This scheme also promotes fraud on the part of the originators.  Under a legal principle known as &#8220;holder in due course,&#8221; the holder of the mortgage cannot be sued for fraud committed before he bought the mortgage.  In general, the fly-by-night originators are out of business every few months, changing names and locations frequently, so they can&#8217;t be sued.  Now, anyone trying to sue for fraud has to go after the entity holding the mortgage.  However, that won&#8217;t stick because the entity is a &#8220;holder in due course.&#8221;  The homeowner is out of luck.  This protection for the holder, usually a large Wall Street firm, or Fannie/Freddie, added to the problem.  Again, government did not regulate this.</p>
<p>I think that there is a better argument that this scheme, with the no-doc loans, the selling and re-selling, the pooling and securitization, and faulty risk calculations caused this problem.  All of this was allowed because of a lack of regulation, not the other way around.</p>
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		<title>By: Lord</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lord]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 17:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In constrained areas bubbles arise in price while in unconstrained areas they arise in construction.  The former results in transfers between buyers/lenders and sellers, excessive debt and default while the latter results in modern ghost towns without the income to cover the costs.  The latter is probably worse as it wastes real resources not just financial ones.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In constrained areas bubbles arise in price while in unconstrained areas they arise in construction.  The former results in transfers between buyers/lenders and sellers, excessive debt and default while the latter results in modern ghost towns without the income to cover the costs.  The latter is probably worse as it wastes real resources not just financial ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca Burlingame</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rebecca Burlingame]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 15:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[True, it is easy to get upset with our government for the 30 year mortgages that pushed lending institutions to bundle mortgages and resell them in the first place.  But underlying that problem was the problem of so many municipalities not wanting any piece of land in their jurisdiction to have less than set amounts of taxation available, which led to bigger and more expensive homes.  In a way, the subprime loan was government trying to solve the problem of people who could not otherwise afford to live in the  city where their job was.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, it is easy to get upset with our government for the 30 year mortgages that pushed lending institutions to bundle mortgages and resell them in the first place.  But underlying that problem was the problem of so many municipalities not wanting any piece of land in their jurisdiction to have less than set amounts of taxation available, which led to bigger and more expensive homes.  In a way, the subprime loan was government trying to solve the problem of people who could not otherwise afford to live in the  city where their job was.</p>
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		<title>By: roland</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 13:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think Glaeser has written on this - anecdotal counter example is Phoenix]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Glaeser has written on this &#8211; anecdotal counter example is Phoenix</p>
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