This is the slide I use in my class. Hopefully it will help
Turns out Heritage Foundation Agrees With Me
UPDATE: I see this chart needs a little commentary.
- Data is from the Federal Reserve. It is seasonally adjusted quarterly real federal receipts.
- The terrorist attacks, dot-com bubble etc, might explain a decline in the tax base what they don’t explain is why revenues never recover. (though more on that later)
- Its particularly telling that after an adjustment the new revenue curve tracks the old revenue curve at a lower level. Precisely what one would expect if you were taking a smaller fraction of the same pot.
In short, unless you think the economy was permanently damaged, all the way up until 2008, from the dot-com bubble in 2001 then you should expect tax receipts to return to the baseline.
After all they are pretty smooth in the wake of the larger early 90s recessions. You should also note that there is no huge boom from the housing bubble. No, for the most part federal receipts track the long run trend growth in the economy.
Lastly, the core argument here is that supply side didn’t work. Are you really going to tell me that the mildest recession in post-war history was so bad that it lead to persistent underperformance of revenue even though in a counterfactual world revenue would have surged above trend growth?
UPDATE II:
Since getting linked by Krugman I am getting a lot of push back that I have ignored Sept 11th, etc. There are some pretty technical arguments that I could bring forward to show why this is just numerically implausible. That is, Sept 11th was a big deal emotionally but it couldn’t even begin to explain a fraction of the economic effect.
The US economy is like really, really big. Probably bigger than anything the human mind is designed to conceive. We regularly use number’s in the trillions to describe its blips in its yearly behavior.
However, putting all that aside here is my more intuitive response I have offered to those who’ve contacted me:
When I am teaching I class I guess I can deal with these types of misunderstandings on the fly or perhaps my kids are too intimidated to bring them up – THEY SHOULD NOT BE. This is what class is for to debate and understand!
However, the issue here is that suppose the Bush tax cuts had no effect at all on long term revenue. For example, increases in tax rates were exactly balanced by increases in GDP or decreases in tax avoidance.
So then we might think the decline in revenues was caused by Sep 11th or the Dot-Com burst. In that case we would expect to see a drop in revenues followed by a return to trend as the economy recovers. At a minimum we should expect post dip revenue to grow faster as the economy tries to return to trend.
We don’t see that. We see a permanently lower trend.
Given that this is exactly what you would expect from reducing the percentage of the economy which taxed, I think its pretty strong evidence that this is what happened.
In short, the claim that the Bush tax cuts had such strong secondary effects of boosting GDP and tax compliance that they outweighed the primary effect of reducing taxable income is a complex one. Generally, in science we would expect someone to assemble a strong empirical case for such a claim.
When the empirics match the much simpler, more basic, more parsimonious explanation, that’s pretty damning for the complex claim.

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Wednesday ~ July 14th, 2010 at 12:23 am
Vance Maverick
What’s the source? Not a hostile question — the results are agreeable to me — but I too would like to be able to “[break] even the hardest of partisans”.
Wednesday ~ July 14th, 2010 at 12:32 am
Karl Smith
St Louis Federal Reseve
Wednesday ~ July 14th, 2010 at 5:14 am
endorendil
Also not a hostile comment, as I agree with the basic statement, but that graph does not prove anything. An exponential fit to federal revenue that doesn’t take into account the internet bubble popping and the terrorist attacks is not a reasonable baseline.
Wednesday ~ July 14th, 2010 at 8:44 am
Karl Smith
They key is NOT that federl revenue declined. It is that it never returned to trend.
Even after the bubble popping was over, federal revenue never returned to the trend it had been on ever since the Clinton tax increases.
Wednesday ~ July 14th, 2010 at 10:15 am
Matthew Yglesias » Tax Cuts Don’t Increase Revenues
[…] Mitch McConnell recently released some of the old-time religion known as orthodox conservative economic policy and told Brian Beutler “There’s no evidence whatsoever that the Bush tax cuts actually diminished revenue … [t]hey increased revenue because of the vibrancy of these tax cuts in the economy.” Jon Kyl on Fox News Sunday explained that while high deficits are a good reason to avoid extending Unemployment Insurance “you should never have to offset cost of a deliberate decision to reduce tax rates on Americans.” So do tax cuts really increase revenue? It’s of course possible to specify a model in which this happens (you can specify a model showing all kinds of things), but it’s not the world we live in: […]
Wednesday ~ July 14th, 2010 at 10:16 am
Zach
I agree that the Bush cuts cost quite a bit (hundreds of billions a year), but choosing to start your chart right when GDP growth picked up after the recession during HW Bush’s term is deceitful. Revenues are a few hundred billion dollars below what they otherwise would be; not 750 billion dollars.
There’s no reason to think that tax receipts would return to the baseline; GDP growth after a recession doesn’t jump up to make up for lost time and return to where it would have been had growth continued exponentially. This would be obvious if you made the chart from 1980 to 2010 instead of 1990 to 2007.
Also, much of what are commonly referred to as the Bush tax cuts didn’t go into effect until FY2003. That this doesn’t manifest itself as another dip in your chart shows that revenue drops owed more to recession than changes in tax code. Note the beginning of the most recent recession showing up at the tail end of your chart as well, absent any major tax cuts.
Lastly, the growth in tax receipts as a fraction of GDP in the 90s was unprecedented in the last half century – http://greenewable.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/total-federal-government-receipts-as-a-percentage-of-gdp-1945e280932008.jpg – there’s no reason to call that period the baseline or expect anything to hold to that trend.
Wednesday ~ July 14th, 2010 at 10:17 am
Zach
And to reiterate, I agree with everything you’re saying in principle; there’s just no reason to overstate it.
Wednesday ~ July 14th, 2010 at 10:35 am
Karl Smith
So I tried to pick dates that represent tax change to tax change. Early 90s saw a tax increase. If I remember correctly I started the chart the quarter after those tax increases went into effect.
The slide that comes before that shows Reagan to Clinton and indeed one sees that most of the lost ground is made up.
I think you point about taxes as a percentage of GDP has its conclusion exactly wrong. The reason taxes were so high as a percentage of GDP is because Clinton raised taxes.
My primary point is this – the average tax rate times trend growth in the economy, is a reasonable predictor of revenue growth. That is, tax rates don’t have enough of an effect on growth to undue either the trend and certainly not enough to outweigh rate changes.
However, the point is not – look at that huge gap that is all Bush’s fault.
The point, is that it is really hard to look at that chart and get the sense that the Basic Supply Side argument holds
Wednesday ~ July 14th, 2010 at 11:12 am
Zach
“that huge gap that is all Bush’s fault.”
Unless you attribute the failure of the economy to grow to Bush’s tax cuts, that’s not the case. The chart shows a $750 billion annual revenue gap (assuming I’m reading this correctly; I think it’s total revenue adjusted to real dollars per year). Total individual individual income tax receipts are around a trillion, and Bush didn’t come close to cutting taxes by 75%. Some of the gap is attributable to Bush’s cuts; most of it is attributable to the recession a decade ago.
“The reason taxes were so high as a percentage of GDP is because Clinton raised taxes.”
Did Clinton’s changes phase in over the 90s? Clinton’s 1993 hikes resulted in a revenue increase something like 10 times smaller than the aggregated effect of Bush’s cuts.
Wednesday ~ July 14th, 2010 at 11:45 am
Karl Smith
Right so I am NOT arguing that the huge tax gap was all Bush’s fault. That is explicitly not my argument. It is only that it is hard to see where one can find justification for the idea that the Bush Tax cuts raise revenue.
Though unless you are pushing a unit root hypothesis it is not plausible that the gap is attributable to the recession 10 years prior. The economy should have recovered and tax revenue returned to trend.
As for the Clinton tax increases the CBO report at the time suggested that the effects would phase in
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/48xx/doc4832/doc03.pdf
Wednesday ~ July 14th, 2010 at 12:42 pm
Zach
“The economy should have recovered and tax revenue returned to trend.”
By that do you mean returned to a trend of exponential growth starting in 2003 or returned to the trend of exponential growth starting in 1990? If you look at something like the DJIA, you’ll see that growth is consistently exponential but subject to major corrections during recessions that lower the index to a level from which it continues to grow exponentially. It’s just not realistic to counter Boehner or McConnell or whomever said this by saying that Bush’s cuts didn’t raise revenue because they didn’t push revenue above that exponential trend. The trend certainly overstates what revenue would’ve been if Bush didn’t touch the tax code (aside from extending Clinton’s Cap Gains cuts that were set to expire). I suspect that revenue absent Bush’s cuts might be closer to what actually happened than to your exponential fit.
The best contemporary example is probably 1988 through 1993. Revenue was flat despite tax increases that were larger than Clinton’s. Reagan’s cut early in his presidency was much larger than Bush’s, but didn’t coincide with a recession and didn’t have a similarly huge effect on revenue.
“look at that huge gap that is all Bush’s fault.”
Sorry I misinterpreted what you said there.
Wednesday ~ July 14th, 2010 at 1:06 pm
Karl Smith
Zach
1) I appreciate having you in this debate
2) Most economists have bought into the notion that the DJIA is a unit root process. Bob Shiller wants to dispute that but lets leave that aside now.
I think very few us believe that GDP is a unit root process. The primary driver of GDP drops during a recession is rising unemployment. Once, those people get jobs the economy should return to trend.
If it does not, then either – fewer people are working than were before OR productivity growth is lower than before.
Neither of those two things jive with the supply side story. More SUPPLY should mean more people working, great labor force participation. This did not happen.
More SUPPLY should also mean more entrepreneurship, more innovation, more investment in R&D. This did not happen or at least if it did it didn’t show up in the productivity numbers. I should mention that productivity has grown a continually higher rate.
The reason trend growth has been weaker is because fewer people are working a productivity growth is not ENOUGH faster to compensate.
This does not support a supply side story.
Labor force participation fell in the wake of the Dot-Com boom and did not recover. Taxes fell even more and did not recover.
At a minimum this means that Supply Side effects were swamped by other effects. Moreover, you just don’t see any supply side effect anywhere in that trend.
If your argument is that “I cannot prove beyond a doubt that Bush’s tax cuts would not have raised revenue in a counter-factual world where there was no recession” then OK. I completely agree with that.
My point is there is simply no evidence beyond faith to think that they would have, and the simply consistent, parsimonious interperation says that they wouldn’t have.
Wednesday ~ July 14th, 2010 at 2:00 pm
Andy Harless
Output should not be a (pure) unit root process, provided that the unemployment rate is mean-reverting. But can you, sitting here in 2010, tell me you are confident there is enough mean reversion in the unemployment rate to get revenue back up to trend within two presidential terms of any recession? I submit that the observed mean reversion in the unemployment rate depends on having sensible demand-management policies and that the bush tax cuts were, arguably, such a policy. I am recalling that the federal funds rate was down to 1% in 2003 and that the ensuing recovery seems to have been driven primarily by a boom in housing that subsequently collapsed. Without a fiscal stimulus, the result would have been either a liquidity trap (which, judging by recent experience, authorities would not have handled with adequate aggressiveness) or a more dramatic boom in housing fueled by even lower interest rates. Or both. And its hard to imagine that, in 2001 and 2003, any other kind of fiscal stimulus would have been both effective and politically feasible. I submit that the counterfactual case for a persistent drop in revenues, which might have been even larger than the one actually observed, in the absence of the Bush tax cuts, is fairly strong (though not for the reasons that the supply-siders argue).
Wednesday ~ July 14th, 2010 at 10:40 am
John Schultz
Extend your regression back to 1980 and your argument will hold more weight if your conclusion still holds.
Wednesday ~ July 14th, 2010 at 10:49 am
John Schultz
Just to be clear, I understand why you try to partition the data based on when the tax law changes (because it has a direct immediate effect on revenues), but you will be accused of cherry picking the data because the 90s were a time of enormous GDP growth and that GDP growth was almost surely not caused by the hike in taxes.
I guess what I’m saying is that graphing the revenues as a nominal number alone doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. It needs to be normalized by GDP somehow so that good and bad economic times are smoothed out. GDP should be regressed over a longer time period that doesn’t just capture the raging 90s.
Maybe if you graphed % of GDP collected as taxes and then marked the discontinuities of the tax laws and projected what they would have been without the changes (taking actual changes in GDP into account)?
Wednesday ~ July 14th, 2010 at 10:57 am
Karl Smith
The problem with that is that GDP is an embedded claim.
If I were a supply side advocate one of the things I would be suggesting is that GDP growth would INCREASE after a tax change and so charting taxes as a fraction of GDP is misleading.
Yes, I would say, the government is taking less of your paycheck, but your paycheck is bigger.
Clearly this was not the case.
Wednesday ~ July 14th, 2010 at 1:33 pm
John Schultz
I get your point, but I think that arguing that minor tax changes, either up or down, are what drives our macro economy is utterly ridiculous. The Bush I + Clinton tax hikes didn’t result in the raging GDP growth of the 90s. Nor did Bush II’s tax cuts result in the anemic GDP growth of the 00s.
Your chart basically says, “In the 90s we had a tax hike and look at the fast revenue growth. Then in the 00s we had a tax drop and look at how revenue growth stagnated. Isn’t that interesting?”
Essentially you are implying that the change in revenue growth was primarily determined by changes in the tax law while ignoring the huge macro economic effects that increasing (90s) and stagnating GDP (00s) has on tax revenues.
What would the projected revenue graph have looked liked if we had actually kept Clinton’s tax laws rather than simply regressing the trend over the go-go 90s?
I’ll bet you a bagle there would still be a significant dip and would be significantly below the trend line you graphed here.
Wednesday ~ July 14th, 2010 at 12:07 pm
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Wednesday ~ July 14th, 2010 at 12:39 pm
GWF
Trying to prove to Republicans that tax cuts lower revenue is like trying to prove to the Pope there is no God. It is a matter of faith, not science.
The Laffer curve provided a rationale that the Republicans could grasp on to in order to cut taxes in the 1980s, and it still is the foundation of their rationale today.
Whether it worked for Reagan, I don’t know, but today, it’s pretty damn clear that if you cut taxes on the wealthy you lose revenue. It’s also clear that the top rate under Clinton didn’t kill the economy but did help balance the budget.
But none of this matters. Come election time, we will have Republicans loudly preaching fire and brimstone that tax cuts are the only way to stimulate the economy and raise revenue. They will keep their message simple and pander to the “low information voter”. This is because they represent the very rich who simply do not want to pay taxes – it’s all a rationalization for selfishness and greed.
Wednesday ~ July 14th, 2010 at 12:43 pm
Turin
I estimated the total costs of 9-11 at about $2 trillion. That’s a pretty big blow to the economy. I consider my estimate conservative; Bin Laden estimated the hit at $3 billion. My reasoning and estimate are here:
http://shroudedindoubt.typepad.com/bodyparts/2007/08/what-was-the-re.html
Wednesday ~ July 14th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
Karl Smith
Is this a net present value estimate. Because pretty conservatively the Net Present value of the US economy is somewhere around $650 Trillion.
In which case $2 Trillion is still a pretty small adjustment. For example just the Bush Presidency the US economy produced somewhere around $80 Trillion in goods and services.
So even if all of that loss was experienced during Bush’s term you are still only talking about 2.5%
Moreover, just glancing at your calculations it looks like you are doing welfare costs not GDP costs. For example, its possible for welfare costs to result in increasing GDP, if the government institutes bad industrial policy for example.
The Net Present Welfare value of the US economy is going to be well into the Quadrillions of dollars. That is, what would all US citizens for the rest of time be willing to pay (in discounted present value of course) not to have to give up all the benefits of the US economy. The resulting number is super-massive.
Wednesday ~ July 14th, 2010 at 1:03 pm
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Wednesday ~ July 14th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
Jeffrey Thompson
The effect of tax cuts for the rich on federal revenue aren’t much more complicated than simple subtraction. That should be obvious.
Not to mention, didn’t we learn that Voodoo economics didn’t work after Reagan’s experiment? Even he had to raise taxes afterward. If it had worked as promised, he would have had a surplus after the tax cuts.
Wednesday ~ July 14th, 2010 at 2:42 pm
Andy Harless
The whole 9/11 argument has the issue ass-backwards. 9/11 can help make the case that the tax cuts were a good idea, but not because it explains the drop in revenue. Quite the contrary. If I remember my history correctly, the last time the US had been attacked was in 1941, and that certainly did not result in a drop in revenue. The same with 9/11: far from explaining the drop in revenue, it provided the justification for an additional fiscal stimulus in the form of military spending, which increased revenue via its demand-side effect.
But here’s the thing: what if 9/11 hadn’t happened? Even with the post-9/11 military spending, and with the tax cuts, and with a housing boom supported by thoroughly imprudent lending practices, and with households that were willing to consume their entire income, we still barely managed to get output back to trend. Like Pearl Harbor, 9/11 was a “lucky” event from the point of view of maximizing the tax base. Without that piece of “luck,” and in the absence of tax cuts, the potential for a disastrous collapse in aggregate demand would have been that much greater.
Wednesday ~ July 14th, 2010 at 3:43 pm
MNPundit
Okay, here’s what I don’t get. Why is the “trend” so perfect and regular?
Why isn’t it a mug’s game to predict what will happen in the economic future when there are so many factors?
That is, how can we predict the trend-line so accurately?
I ask not because I don’t believe you, but because I intend to use this chart to beat righties over the head with and I want to anticipate and be prepared to demolish a common rebutal.
Wednesday ~ July 14th, 2010 at 9:23 pm
Nima
You guys ARE aware that under Bush taxes went up on the net, right? That under Bush the Congress did not CUT taxes, but INCREASE taxes, right?
I’m not sure if this is really something I need to point out since it’s so obvious, but it seems like some people here are suggesting that under G.W Bush we saw an example of a government policy geared toward cutting taxes … which would be a quite funny claim to make, like the kind of stuff you read in the Onion. :)
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Wednesday ~ September 8th, 2010 at 10:03 pm
Mdawg34
Theres a few things wrong w/ what Obama is saying about the tax cuts
1) Obama says ‘it will cost us $750Billion’ & ‘We cant afford to borrow $750B’
Well it wouldnt actually cost $750B it just means the fed. gov would receive $750B less in tax dollars or in other words what the same amount they got for the past 10yrs
And by ‘us’ he means the fed govt not ‘us’ the people. In reality the opposite of what he says is true b/c he is basically saying
‘America, Ive already wasted trillions of ur tax dollars & the economy just got worse but relax my new plan is to spend billions more so expiring the tax cuts will force u to give me $750B collectively but dont worry only the filthy greedy rich monsters have to pay
Well guess what numb skulls the rich r the ones with the jobs & if their being bleed to death by taxes then they cant give every1 jobs
Just think about what happened in the great depression everyone was broke, $ wasnt circulating, unemployment was rising. It alll trickles down, all the richest ppl at the top loose tons of money so just to stay in bussiness they must fire ppl and now hardly any money is floating around & could u imagine if FDR said alright folks Im going to let these tax cuts expire and take out $750 billion of this devastating economy, but just from the rich. So now there is even less money to go around & even less jobs
Starting to get it
We arent in a depression yet but still yea its the rich but the rich still spend & expand their business when profitable which means more jobs so it all trickles down.
So what do u think is more helpful leaving $750 Billion in the economy to circulate or saying ok Obama since u not only brilliantly pissed away a trillion dollars that really just made the economy worse but it didnt even learn ur lesson & actually think spending more $ will fix everything, well um yea ur an idiot
And just what r u doing campaigning to america full of deciet and basically saying ‘I dont want this extra $ in the hands of people who could actually provide ppl with jobs I want it in my hands so I can spend it how I want b/c I know whats best for u.
Anyone who thinks taxing the heck out of the rich is an idiot or on welfare
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