Karl responded to my request for a GM bailout proponent to analyze a BP bailout, and he highlights some crucial differences between the two scenarios. By the commodity nature of oil, a BP competitor would know they could take over BP wells and immediately keep pumping, and not face as much uncertainty as a potential buyer of a GM plant would. This is a big point in favor of GM vs BP.
Karl also argues:
…all three US manufacturers were tied together through the supply chain. This not only magnifies the intensity of a collapse but also has unique consequences for labor. US manufacturers used UAW labor while foreign manufacturers do not. This makes the two imperfect substitutes and would have contributed significantly to a difficult transition.
With respect to the supply chain impacts, that depends on whether the bankruptcy disrupts the supply of oil enough to effect prices. A disruption in supply chain of oil would be much worse than one in autos because oil is non-durable, so you can’t just use yesterday’s oil again today like you can with a car, and because it’s an input into almost every industry and product. James Hamilton has presented persuasive empirical evidence that oil shocks can cause recessions, while no such evidence exists for auto shocks. Regarding the UAW issue in this paragraph, I’m not sure why defunct union status would add frictions to hiring for whoever buys GM’s factories and brands. I suspect that former union workers would probably pretty quickly accept new jobs at lower wages. It’s not like the alternative employment prospects in the rust belt present many alternatives.
He also argues that because oil is a classic perfectly competitive product, the market should respond without problems:
BP on the other hand produces the classic perfectly competitive product. Its completely fungible. Its traded on an exchange. It has a healthy futures market. Its exactly what a textbook economic product should look like. Shortages will be sorted out in the markets, prices will respond and equilibrium will be restored.
As Hamilton shows, though, high oil prices can cause serious macroeconomic problems. The key question, I think, is whether a BP bankruptcy has any chance of disrupting oil production enough to cause a significant spike in prices. As Karl points out, the commodity nature of the product suggests that new owners could keep pumping and selling oil without much of a problem. However, I can imagine scenarios where supply would be disrupted. When Texaco went bankrupt in 1987, credit and supplies were being cut off:
In an affidavit filed in a Texas appeals court, Texaco outlined in detail the pressures it was under. Chase Manhattan had demanded that Texaco maintain new minimum balances in its accounts before the bank would transfer funds to satisfy commercial obligations. Worse, Manufacturers Hanover Trust had canceled a $750 million line of credit.
At the same time, some of Texaco’s suppliers were refusing to do business, or setting tougher terms. According to the Texaco affidavit, Venezuela’s state-owned oil companies had at least temporarily stopped pumping oil for Texaco. (Venezuela denies that it has cut Texaco off.) Southern California Edison started requiring Texaco, its largest customer, to pay its electric bill every week.
The BP bankruptcy would be inherently more uncertain because litigation damages have a much higher potential upside than Texaco’s worst case scenario of $10.2 billion. As Andrew Ross Sorkin reports, the final tally for BP could possibly (although unlikely) be in the hundreds of billions. In addition, we have an administration and a populist electorate that has shown itself willing to intervene in bankruptcy preceding. All of this could deter mergers or buyers. And selling off assets may be complicated by long-term leases, regulatory approval and other legal matters. Given all of these uncertainties, and difficulties in merging of divesting to a solution, I am not convinced that a disruption in production is not a possibility.
Karl also points out correctly that we were in the middle of an extreme credit crunch in 2008, and we aren’t right now. I grant that that is the strongest argument for the GM bailout. So my question is this: if Greece defaults or some other disaster like that occurs, and we begin once again to teeter on the brink of a credit crunch, would there then be a case for a BP bailout?

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Friday ~ June 18th, 2010 at 9:57 pm
RickRussellTX
“Regarding the UAW issue in this paragraph, I’m not sure why defunct union status would add frictions to hiring for whoever buys GM’s factories and brands.”
The friction would come from the fact that GM plants are located in states with explicit union support at the state government level. These same state governments have made it clear that they are perfectly willing to accept economic disaster rather than challenge the unions’ continued demands for ridiculously inflated wages.
Has a state ever gone from “union required” to “right to work”? I don’t know of such a case. It would be first and best thing that could possibly happen to the rust belt.
Friday ~ June 18th, 2010 at 10:31 pm
jazzbumpa
You might want to know about the two tier wage structure in unionized Chrysler plants. Recent hires – are there are some, don’t laugh – make just about half of what the seasoned vets get. It’s about 2X minimum wage. That doesn’t not strike me as “unions’ continued demands for ridiculously inflated wages.”
YMMV, of course.
Cheers!
JzB
Friday ~ June 18th, 2010 at 11:09 pm
RickRussellTX
I’m aware — I know the transit union in NY did a similar deal. But ultimately I don’t think it matters; I suspect investors would rather build state-of-the-art facilities in the right-to-work states rather than spend $ bringing GM facilities up to speed and tie themselves down to union contracts. And it’s just a matter of time before there are enough “new guys” that they start agitating for higher wages.
There’s a reason GM can’t produce pistons that fit in their cylinders, and a reason that fit and finish of GM cars is so woefully behind their competition. They operate old facilities, they re-tool slowly, they would rather make investments that maximize profit for the next year of sales by using inferior materials and tooling. Investors aren’t exactly going to get excited about a company that is losing market share like sand through a funnel.
Saturday ~ June 19th, 2010 at 5:13 pm
jazzbumpa
Rick -
You link goes to a problem from the 1999 model year. Not especially relevant with 2011′s on the near horizon. Currently, Chrysler Ford and Gm are all making money and production better quality than the Japanese car Cos.
You say it’s just a matter of time before the new guys agitate for higher wages. And you base this on . . . what?
U.S. car companies suffered from decades of idiotic, short-sighted management. Then the financial melt-down – remember that? – happened, and financing wasn’t available. Both GMAC and Chryler financial became fiefs of the morons at Cerberus, who cut off leasing for potential Chrysler customers.
Please get better data, and a more reasonable, better balanced understanding of complex situations.
Cheers!
JzB
Friday ~ June 18th, 2010 at 10:28 pm
jazzbumpa
In 1987, crude pricing was about half way through a severe two-decade long decline from a historical peak. That must have influenced the Texaco situation. And Texaco was never a mamoth operation like BP. I’d be wary of drawing strong conclusion about BP, or oil in general, in 2010, based on the Texaco experience of 1987. FWIW, Shell (Dutch) wound up acquiring both Texaco and its co-litigant, Pennzoil.
Though many large corporations are trans-national in scope, GM, at least nominally, is an American Co. with an American HQ and a large American workforce. I think any bail out should be done for the benefit of the citizens of the country that does the bailing. What direct good comes to the U.S. in particular (as opposed to potential good to all the other users of fungible petroleum) from a BP bailout by the U. S. Govt? I can see Govt. facilitating an asset purchase, if it were to come to that, by a U. S. oil Co.
If BP should want, need and actually get a bail out, it should be by the Brits. Problem is, The petroleum Cos are trans – nationals. To whom do they feel any allegiance? So why should anyone want to help any of them?
Here’s a question that’s a bit off topic, but this thread does give an opening for it. I think there is a difference between capitalism and corporatism. Capitalism is based on the profit motive and competition. (delong talks-ed about this today in a micro vs macro sense http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2010/06/microeconomic-and-macroeconomic-excess-supply.html) But corporatism only recognizes profit. Large corps, esp multinationals, involve huge barriers to entry. And there are few of them, frex, in the oil biz, so it’s nothing like a free market operation.
Businessmen hate competition, but small business just have to deal with it and improve as best they can. Large corps can starve, litigate to death, and/or absorb small cos. that go after their turf. (Microsoft, frex.) M&A’s have a terrible track record in achieving stated goals. But they are really successful at eliminating competition.
Sorry for the long preamble. Questions at last – do you see any merit to this line of reasoning, and do you think the existence of large corps – esp trans-nationals – distorts markets and throws a monkey wrench in economic models?
Cheers!
JzB
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