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	<title>Comments on: Citizen X</title>
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		<title>By: Adam Ozimek</title>
		<link>http://modeledbehavior.com/2010/01/25/citizen-x/#comment-1174</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adam Ozimek]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shouldn&#039;t we rather want Citizen X to vote, but to vote for the correct policies?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shouldn&#8217;t we rather want Citizen X to vote, but to vote for the correct policies?</p>
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		<title>By: flenser</title>
		<link>http://modeledbehavior.com/2010/01/25/citizen-x/#comment-1173</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 05:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s a word for a person who &quot;gives and gives to society but takes the least possible amount in return&quot; and who is not a voter. But &quot;citizen&quot; is not it. By definition a &quot;citizen&quot; is a person involved in the civic life of his community.

What&#039;s being sought here sounds a lot closer to &quot;employee&quot; or &quot;indentured servant&quot; or even &quot;slave&quot;. But it&#039;s not a citizen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a word for a person who &#8220;gives and gives to society but takes the least possible amount in return&#8221; and who is not a voter. But &#8220;citizen&#8221; is not it. By definition a &#8220;citizen&#8221; is a person involved in the civic life of his community.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s being sought here sounds a lot closer to &#8220;employee&#8221; or &#8220;indentured servant&#8221; or even &#8220;slave&#8221;. But it&#8217;s not a citizen.</p>
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		<title>By: flenser</title>
		<link>http://modeledbehavior.com/2010/01/25/citizen-x/#comment-1172</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 05:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I realize that the intent was to create some hypothetical perfect Citizen X who  &quot;gives and gives to society but takes the least possible amount in return&quot;.

But I don&#039;t think the Citizen X described is a realistic one, one ever likely to be encountered in the real word in significant numbers.

America used to be populated by a majority of Citizen X types, so it&#039;s not difficult to determine their characteristics. They should live in small towns or rural areas. They should be socially conservative and probably religious. They should have strong attachments to their immediate family and to the people in their local community. They&#039;ll be proud of their independence and distrustful of government intrusions on it. They&#039;ll have a good dose of what were once called &quot;the Protestant work ethic&quot; and &quot;bourgeoise values&quot;. They&#039;ll be embarrassed by the thought of drawing public assistance and will look down on people who do so.

Such people will contribute less on average to the state than the North-East web programmer, but they&#039;ll take far less in the long run.

And of course, citizens fill roles  which are vastly more consequential than mere economic donors to the state. In those other roles, my Citizens X beat yours hands down.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize that the intent was to create some hypothetical perfect Citizen X who  &#8220;gives and gives to society but takes the least possible amount in return&#8221;.</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t think the Citizen X described is a realistic one, one ever likely to be encountered in the real word in significant numbers.</p>
<p>America used to be populated by a majority of Citizen X types, so it&#8217;s not difficult to determine their characteristics. They should live in small towns or rural areas. They should be socially conservative and probably religious. They should have strong attachments to their immediate family and to the people in their local community. They&#8217;ll be proud of their independence and distrustful of government intrusions on it. They&#8217;ll have a good dose of what were once called &#8220;the Protestant work ethic&#8221; and &#8220;bourgeoise values&#8221;. They&#8217;ll be embarrassed by the thought of drawing public assistance and will look down on people who do so.</p>
<p>Such people will contribute less on average to the state than the North-East web programmer, but they&#8217;ll take far less in the long run.</p>
<p>And of course, citizens fill roles  which are vastly more consequential than mere economic donors to the state. In those other roles, my Citizens X beat yours hands down.</p>
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		<title>By: teageegeepea</title>
		<link>http://modeledbehavior.com/2010/01/25/citizen-x/#comment-1171</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 04:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The traits chosen are not supposed to be likely correlated with other traits, but effective by themselves. So Citizen X was already declared to be a non-voter. There are lots of non-voters (I&#039;m an example), so that trait doesn&#039;t seem implausible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The traits chosen are not supposed to be likely correlated with other traits, but effective by themselves. So Citizen X was already declared to be a non-voter. There are lots of non-voters (I&#8217;m an example), so that trait doesn&#8217;t seem implausible.</p>
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		<title>By: flenser</title>
		<link>http://modeledbehavior.com/2010/01/25/citizen-x/#comment-1170</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[flenser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 04:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;For one thing, he does exist.&quot;

should have been &quot;does NOT exist&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For one thing, he does exist.&#8221;</p>
<p>should have been &#8220;does NOT exist&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: flenser</title>
		<link>http://modeledbehavior.com/2010/01/25/citizen-x/#comment-1169</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[flenser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 04:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Does any of this description miss the mark and what else might we be able to say about Citizen X?&quot;

For one thing, he does exist.

What is more, he is unlikely to ever exist. In the real world, people who live in the North-East corridor and make a good living doing web programming are reliably left-wing in their politics. 

This negates whatever advantages he offers by being a net plus on the treasury in his own economic life.

You don&#039;t mention his politics at all, but that&#039;s the persistent weakness of all efforts to analyze man as a purely economic &quot;externality&quot;.

Like unicorns, externalities do not exist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Does any of this description miss the mark and what else might we be able to say about Citizen X?&#8221;</p>
<p>For one thing, he does exist.</p>
<p>What is more, he is unlikely to ever exist. In the real world, people who live in the North-East corridor and make a good living doing web programming are reliably left-wing in their politics. </p>
<p>This negates whatever advantages he offers by being a net plus on the treasury in his own economic life.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t mention his politics at all, but that&#8217;s the persistent weakness of all efforts to analyze man as a purely economic &#8220;externality&#8221;.</p>
<p>Like unicorns, externalities do not exist.</p>
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		<title>By: The forgotten, perhaps non-existent man &#171; Entitled to an Opinion</title>
		<link>http://modeledbehavior.com/2010/01/25/citizen-x/#comment-1167</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The forgotten, perhaps non-existent man &#171; Entitled to an Opinion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] should just be reading Modeled Behavior. Karl Smith asks us to imagine the ideal citizen, &#8220;Citizen X&#8220;, who maximally produces positive externalities without imposing costs on others. We might [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] should just be reading Modeled Behavior. Karl Smith asks us to imagine the ideal citizen, &#8220;Citizen X&#8220;, who maximally produces positive externalities without imposing costs on others. We might [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TGGP</title>
		<link>http://modeledbehavior.com/2010/01/25/citizen-x/#comment-1165</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TGGP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think we should be tailoring our immigration policies to recruit more Citizen Xs. Of course, a Citizen X beginning at age Y is different from a Citizen X from birth. If he has benefited from subsidies paid for by another country in the past, all the better for us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we should be tailoring our immigration policies to recruit more Citizen Xs. Of course, a Citizen X beginning at age Y is different from a Citizen X from birth. If he has benefited from subsidies paid for by another country in the past, all the better for us.</p>
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		<title>By: jsalvatier</title>
		<link>http://modeledbehavior.com/2010/01/25/citizen-x/#comment-1153</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jsalvatier]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 03:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Surely this is wrong. Citizen X eats mostly beans and rice, lives with a roommate, and donates 75% of his income through GiveWell (or perhaps SIAI) so as to achieve the highest possible social good with his effort.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely this is wrong. Citizen X eats mostly beans and rice, lives with a roommate, and donates 75% of his income through GiveWell (or perhaps SIAI) so as to achieve the highest possible social good with his effort.</p>
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