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	<title>Comments on: Overcoming Robin Hanson: Status and Income Inequality</title>
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		<title>By: Robin Hanson</title>
		<link>http://modeledbehavior.com/2010/01/14/overcoming-robin-hanson-status-and-income-inequality/#comment-1198</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robin Hanson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that status is not obviously zero-sum, but they do seem to have some level of obvious negative externality.  On average I am worse off when random other people have higher status.  Ambiguity mixed with over-confidence might also mitigate this externality, but this also isn&#039;t obvious to me - the effect might go the other way too.  There is just so much we don&#039;t know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that status is not obviously zero-sum, but they do seem to have some level of obvious negative externality.  On average I am worse off when random other people have higher status.  Ambiguity mixed with over-confidence might also mitigate this externality, but this also isn&#8217;t obvious to me &#8211; the effect might go the other way too.  There is just so much we don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does a high income confer status, or does high spending? I think it&#039;s the latter and that is (imo) a problem. People don&#039;t benefit from an arms race with the Joneses, especially if they have to go into debt to keep up. It also means you have to keep up your spending to remain where you are relative to others, since others will increase their possessions, too. However, I don&#039;t think people give the status arms race enough thought. Are you really better off chasing the spending of others, or should you rather change who you compare yourself to?

If I buy a Ferrari and go to the meetings of Ferrari owners, I might feel inferior - the other Ferrari owners are likely much wealthier than I am. I could sell the Ferrari, buy a Volkswagen and go to those meetings instead (assuming they have them). Compared to these owners, I would feel better about my relative level of (material) success. Thus, I might derive more enjoyment/happiness from a cheaper VW than a more expensive Ferrari.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does a high income confer status, or does high spending? I think it&#8217;s the latter and that is (imo) a problem. People don&#8217;t benefit from an arms race with the Joneses, especially if they have to go into debt to keep up. It also means you have to keep up your spending to remain where you are relative to others, since others will increase their possessions, too. However, I don&#8217;t think people give the status arms race enough thought. Are you really better off chasing the spending of others, or should you rather change who you compare yourself to?</p>
<p>If I buy a Ferrari and go to the meetings of Ferrari owners, I might feel inferior &#8211; the other Ferrari owners are likely much wealthier than I am. I could sell the Ferrari, buy a Volkswagen and go to those meetings instead (assuming they have them). Compared to these owners, I would feel better about my relative level of (material) success. Thus, I might derive more enjoyment/happiness from a cheaper VW than a more expensive Ferrari.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Wintersmith</title>
		<link>http://modeledbehavior.com/2010/01/14/overcoming-robin-hanson-status-and-income-inequality/#comment-1121</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jacob Wintersmith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 04:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Within any particular group hierarchy, status is a zero-sum game. Creating lots of little hierarchies can help to a degree, but people are driven to compete on the inter-hierarchy level just as vigorously as they compete for intra-hierarchy status. Politics is just one arena for group vs. group status competition.

It&#039;s a good idea to prohibit the state from explicitly conferring high status on groups, but there will still be abundant opportunity for groups to win status politically. And there are lots of ways for groups to compete for status besides politics.

I think Julian Sanchez&#039;s piece on &lt;a href=&quot;http://trueslant.com/juliansanchez/2009/12/16/the-politics-of-ressentiment/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Politics of Ressentiment&lt;/a&gt; illustrates this nicely. Heartland conservatives were extremely frustrated that political success in the Bush era did little to raise their status as a group. And now they&#039;ve rallied behind Palin in an attempt to thumb their noses at educated coastal elites; Palin is ideal for this role precisely because she&#039;s such a hideous failure as judged by the educated elite.

Educated urbanites became a higher status group than rural Christians independent of politics. And more generally, I don&#039;t think there&#039;s any way to prevent people from judging certain groups to be low-status any more than it&#039;s possible to prevent intra-group status judgments.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Within any particular group hierarchy, status is a zero-sum game. Creating lots of little hierarchies can help to a degree, but people are driven to compete on the inter-hierarchy level just as vigorously as they compete for intra-hierarchy status. Politics is just one arena for group vs. group status competition.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a good idea to prohibit the state from explicitly conferring high status on groups, but there will still be abundant opportunity for groups to win status politically. And there are lots of ways for groups to compete for status besides politics.</p>
<p>I think Julian Sanchez&#8217;s piece on <a href="http://trueslant.com/juliansanchez/2009/12/16/the-politics-of-ressentiment/" rel="nofollow">The Politics of Ressentiment</a> illustrates this nicely. Heartland conservatives were extremely frustrated that political success in the Bush era did little to raise their status as a group. And now they&#8217;ve rallied behind Palin in an attempt to thumb their noses at educated coastal elites; Palin is ideal for this role precisely because she&#8217;s such a hideous failure as judged by the educated elite.</p>
<p>Educated urbanites became a higher status group than rural Christians independent of politics. And more generally, I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s any way to prevent people from judging certain groups to be low-status any more than it&#8217;s possible to prevent intra-group status judgments.</p>
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		<title>By: dWj</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dWj]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://daviddfriedman.blogspot.com/2007/11/subjective-status-or-fooling-our-genes.html

I&#039;m pretty sure he wrote a different post on the subject, noting &quot;World of Warcraft&quot; as a world in which some people seek (and find, on their own terms) status, but I can&#039;t seem to find that one.]]></description>
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<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure he wrote a different post on the subject, noting &#8220;World of Warcraft&#8221; as a world in which some people seek (and find, on their own terms) status, but I can&#8217;t seem to find that one.</p>
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