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	<title>Comments on: Will Health Care Reform Grow Or Not?</title>
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		<title>By: Public Debt and the Public Option &#124; The Incidental Economist</title>
		<link>http://modeledbehavior.com/2009/11/11/will-health-care-reform-grow-or-not/#comment-799</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Public Debt and the Public Option &#124; The Incidental Economist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Some have argued that notwithstanding the express provisions in the bills that a public plan must be funded entirely by premiums, once it is established, we won&#8217;t be able to help ourselves from expanding it with deficit spending.  Perhaps this is a sad fact about Americans.  But is it generally true? [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Some have argued that notwithstanding the express provisions in the bills that a public plan must be funded entirely by premiums, once it is established, we won&#8217;t be able to help ourselves from expanding it with deficit spending.  Perhaps this is a sad fact about Americans.  But is it generally true? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: What Happens After the Public Option Passes? &#171;  Modeled Behavior</title>
		<link>http://modeledbehavior.com/2009/11/11/will-health-care-reform-grow-or-not/#comment-760</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[What Happens After the Public Option Passes? &#171;  Modeled Behavior]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] few days ago Karl had a back and forth with Ezra Klein, which was prompted by an email I sent Karl. I wondered how Ezra could [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Nick Benjamin</title>
		<link>http://modeledbehavior.com/2009/11/11/will-health-care-reform-grow-or-not/#comment-720</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick Benjamin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dude, Lieberman and friends are not opposing the entitlement. The subsidies are the entitlement, and Lieberman likes the subsidies. They get a line in the budget. The public option does not.

If overall premiums increase quickly the subsidies increase, if the people tell Congress to subsidize more stuff the subsidies increase. In either case government spending would have to go up. If overall premiums stay flat, or increase at a reasonable rate, and the people don&#039;t demand more subsidies government spending stay pretty much the same.

The public option is irrelevant to what the government decides to subsidize. If it turns out to be less efficient than the private plans it won&#039;t get any customers, and its inefficiencies will be trivial in terms of overall costs. OTOH if it is more efficient than private companies it will keep costs down by providing increased competition.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, Lieberman and friends are not opposing the entitlement. The subsidies are the entitlement, and Lieberman likes the subsidies. They get a line in the budget. The public option does not.</p>
<p>If overall premiums increase quickly the subsidies increase, if the people tell Congress to subsidize more stuff the subsidies increase. In either case government spending would have to go up. If overall premiums stay flat, or increase at a reasonable rate, and the people don&#8217;t demand more subsidies government spending stay pretty much the same.</p>
<p>The public option is irrelevant to what the government decides to subsidize. If it turns out to be less efficient than the private plans it won&#8217;t get any customers, and its inefficiencies will be trivial in terms of overall costs. OTOH if it is more efficient than private companies it will keep costs down by providing increased competition.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://modeledbehavior.com/2009/11/11/will-health-care-reform-grow-or-not/#comment-717</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is ridiculous.  By this argument, government should never do anything popular, because people might like it and demand more of it, which inevitably leads to deficits because there is not a similar public appetite for tax increases.  By this argument, we cannot make roads or clean water or decent schools or bridges or mass transit.  Because they might work as advertised and hence be popular.  

This is a spectacularly stupid way to govern. 

I&#039;d like to point out that the reason we have a Republic and not a Democracy is, in fact, to deal with this precise problem.  The Founders were not morons.  They had this vague notion that people would like to have their cake and eat it too.  Which is why they set up a system where we don&#039;t put the budget up for a vote.  We elect Representatives who are supposed to govern within the bounds of reality. 

Sadly, we now have an entire political party that&#039;s devoted to the notion that wars are free, that drives up spending while cutting tax rates, and that argues for trickle-down economics and the laffer curve.  Where every president from that party has driven us ever-deeper into debt simply to gain political favor.  This is when they&#039;re not too busy going to tea parties.  The elites in the Republican party have done what the Founders never expected a large group of elites to do:  abdicated their responsibility to govern in a reality-based way.  

If you&#039;re mad at fiscal profligacy, blame the Republicans.  George Bush&#039;s &quot;health reform&quot; will cost $1 Trillion over the next 10 years.  Not a nickel of it is paid for.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is ridiculous.  By this argument, government should never do anything popular, because people might like it and demand more of it, which inevitably leads to deficits because there is not a similar public appetite for tax increases.  By this argument, we cannot make roads or clean water or decent schools or bridges or mass transit.  Because they might work as advertised and hence be popular.  </p>
<p>This is a spectacularly stupid way to govern. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to point out that the reason we have a Republic and not a Democracy is, in fact, to deal with this precise problem.  The Founders were not morons.  They had this vague notion that people would like to have their cake and eat it too.  Which is why they set up a system where we don&#8217;t put the budget up for a vote.  We elect Representatives who are supposed to govern within the bounds of reality. </p>
<p>Sadly, we now have an entire political party that&#8217;s devoted to the notion that wars are free, that drives up spending while cutting tax rates, and that argues for trickle-down economics and the laffer curve.  Where every president from that party has driven us ever-deeper into debt simply to gain political favor.  This is when they&#8217;re not too busy going to tea parties.  The elites in the Republican party have done what the Founders never expected a large group of elites to do:  abdicated their responsibility to govern in a reality-based way.  </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re mad at fiscal profligacy, blame the Republicans.  George Bush&#8217;s &#8220;health reform&#8221; will cost $1 Trillion over the next 10 years.  Not a nickel of it is paid for.</p>
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		<title>By: But Isn&#8217;t The Public Option A First Step? &#171;  Modeled Behavior</title>
		<link>http://modeledbehavior.com/2009/11/11/will-health-care-reform-grow-or-not/#comment-716</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[But Isn&#8217;t The Public Option A First Step? &#171;  Modeled Behavior]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Ezra says Karl Smith has a theory explaining how the public option could drive the government deeper into debt. The argument, [...]]]></description>
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