Via Casey Mulligan, Cochrane responds to Krugman’s NYT Magazine piece. What follows below is the full text of Cochrane’s response. Mulligan linked to it as a Word Document. I felt it would have more presence of the blogosphere as html. I am assuming that Cochrane would want his ideas spread to a wider audience.
How did Paul Krugman get it so Wrong?
John H. Cochrane[1]
Many friends and colleagues have asked me what I think of Paul Krugman’s New York Times Magazine article, “How did Economists get it so wrong?”
Most of all, it’s sad. Imagine this weren’t economics for a moment. Imagine this were a respected scientist turned popular writer, who says, most basically, that everything everyone has done in his field since the mid 1960s is a complete waste of time. Everything that fills its academic journals, is taught in its PhD programs, presented at its conferences, summarized in its graduate textbooks, and rewarded with the accolades a profession can bestow, including multiple Nobel prizes, is totally wrong. Instead, he calls for a return to the eternal verities of a rather convoluted book written in the 1930s, as taught to our author in his undergraduate introductory courses. If a scientist, he might be a global-warming skeptic, an AIDS-HIV disbeliever, a stalwart that maybe continents don’t move after all, or that smoking isn’t that bad for you really.
It gets worse. Krugman hints at dark conspiracies, claiming “dissenters are marginalized.” Most of the article is just a calumnious personal attack on an ever-growing enemies list, which now includes “new Keyenesians” such as Olivier Blanchard and Greg Mankiw. Rather than source professional writing, he plays gotcha with out-of-context second-hand quotes from media interviews. He makes stuff up, boldly putting words in people’s mouths that run contrary to their written opinions. Even this isn’t enough: he adds cartoons to try to make his “enemies” look silly, and puts them in false and embarrassing situations. He accuses us literally of adopting ideas for pay, selling out for “sabbaticals at the Hoover institution” and fat “Wall street paychecks.” It sounds a bit paranoid.
It’s annoying to the victims, but we’re big boys and girls. It’s a disservice to New York Times readers. They depend on Krugman to read real academic literature and digest it, and they get this schlock instead. And it’s ineffective. Any astute reader knows that personal attacks and innuendo mean the author has run out of ideas.
And that’s the biggest and saddest news of this piece: Paul Krugman has no interesting ideas whatsoever about what caused our current financial and economic problems, what policies might have prevented it, or what might help us in the future, and he has no contact with people who do. “Irrationality” and “spend like a drunken sailor” are pretty superficial compared to all the fascinating things economists are writing about it these days.
What do I think? How sad.
That’s what I think, but I don’t expect you the reader to be convinced by my opinion or my reference to professional consensus. Maybe he is right. Occasionally sciences, especially social sciences, do take a wrong turn for a decade or two. I thought Keynesian economics was such a wrong turn. So let’s take a quick look at the ideas.
Krugman’s attack has two goals. First, he thinks financial markets are “inefficient,” fundamentally due to “irrational” investors, and thus prey to excessive volatility which needs government control. Second, he likes the huge “fiscal stimulus” provided by multi-trillion dollar deficits.
Efficiency.
It’s fun to say we didn’t see the crisis coming, but the central empirical prediction of the efficient markets hypothesis is precisely that nobody can tell where markets are going – neither benevolent government bureaucrats, nor crafty hedge-fund managers, nor ivory-tower academics. This is probably the best-tested proposition in all the social sciences. Krugman knows this, so all he can do is huff and puff about his dislike for a theory whose central prediction is that nobody can be a reliable soothsayer.
Krugman writes as if the volatility of stock prices alone disproves market efficiency, and efficient marketers just ignored it all these years. This is a canard that Paul knows better than to pass on, no matter how rhetorically convenient. (I can overlook his mixing up the CAPM and Black-Scholes model, but not this.) There is nothing about “efficiency” that promises “stability.” “Stable” growth would in fact be a major violation of efficiency. Efficient markets did not need to wait for “the memory of 1929 … gradually receding,” nor did we fail to read the newspapers in 1987. Data from the great depression has been included in practically all the tests. In fact, the great “equity premium puzzle” is that if efficient, stock markets don’t seem risky enough to deter more people from investing! Gene Fama’s PhD thesis was on “fat tails” in stock returns.
It is true and very well documented that asset prices move more than reasonable expectations of future cashflows. This might be because people are prey to bursts of irrational optimism and pessimism. It might also be because people’s willingness to take on risk varies over time, and is sharply lower in bad economic times. As Gene Fama pointed out in 1972, these are observationally equivalent explanations at the superficial level of staring at prices and writing magazine articles and opeds. Unless you are willing to elaborate your theory to the point that it can quantitatively describe how much and when risk premiums, or waves of “optimism” and “pessimism,” can vary, you know nothing. No theory is particularly good at that right now. Crying “bubble” is no good unless you have an operational procedure for identifying bubbles, distinguishing them from rationally low risk premiums, and not crying wolf too many years in a row.
But this difficulty is really no surprise. It’s also the central prediction of free-market economics, as crystallized by Hayek, that no academic, bureaucrat or regulator will ever be able to fully explain market price movements. Nobody knows what “fundamental” or “hold to maturity value” is. If anyone could tell what the price of tomatoes should be, let alone the price of Microsoft stock, communism would have worked.
More deeply, the economist’s job is not to “explain” market fluctuations after the fact, to give a pleasant story on the evening news about why markets went up or down. Markets up? “A wave of positive sentiment.” Markets went down? “Irrational pessimism.” (And “the risk premium must have increased” is just as empty.) Our ancestors could do that. Really, is that an improvement on “Zeus had a fight with Apollo?” Good serious behavioral economists know this, and they are circumspect in their explanatory claims so far.
But this argument takes us away from the main point. The case for free markets never was that markets are perfect. The case for free markets is that government control of markets, especially asset markets, has always been much worse. Free markets are the worst system ever devised – except for all of the others.
Krugman at bottom is arguing that the government should massively intervene in financial markets, and take charge of the allocation of capital. He can’t quite come out and say this, but he does say “Keynes considered it a very bad idea to let such markets…dictate important business decisions,” and “finance economists believed that we should put the capital development of the nation in the hands of what Keynes had called a `casino.’” Well, if markets can’t be trusted to allocate capital, we don’t have to connect too many dots to imagine who Paul has in mind.
To reach this conclusion, you need theory, evidence, experience, or any realistic hope that the alternative will be better. Remember, the SEC couldn’t even find Bernie Madoff when he was handed to them on a silver platter. Think of the great job Fannie, Freddie, and Congress did in the mortgage market. Is this system going to regulate Citigroup, guide financial markets to the right price, replace the stock market, and tell our society which new products are worth investment? As David Wessel’s excellent In Fed We Trust makes perfectly clear, government regulators failed just as abysmally as private investors and economists to see the storm coming. And not from any lack of smarts.
In fact, the behavioral view gives us a new and stronger argument against regulation and control. Regulators are just as human and irrational as market participants. If bankers are, in Krugman’s words, “idiots,” then so must be the typical treasury secretary, fed chairman, and regulatory staff. They act alone or in committees, where behavioral biases are much better documented than in market settings. They are still easily captured by industries, and face horrendously distorted incentives.
Careful behavioralists know this, and do not quickly run from “the market got it wrong” to “the government can put it all right.” Even my most behavioral colleagues Richard Thaler and Cass Sunstein in their book “Nudge” go only so far as a light libertarian paternalism, suggesting good default options on our 401(k) accounts. (And even here they’re not very clear on how the Federal Nudging Agency is going to steer clear of industry capture.) They don’t even think of jumping from irrational markets, which they believe in deeply, to Federal control of stock and house prices and allocation of capital.
Stimulus
Most of all, Krugman likes fiscal stimulus. In this quest, he accuses us and the rest of the economics profession of “mistaking beauty for truth.” He’s not that clear on what the “beauty” is that we all fell in love with, and why one should shun it. And for good reason. The first siren of beauty is simple logical consistency. Paul’s Keynesian economics requires that people make plans to consume more, invest more, and pay more taxes with the same income. The second siren is even vaguely plausible assumptions about how people behave. Keynesian economics requires that the government is able to systematically fool people again and again. It presumes that people don’t think about the future in making decisions today. Logical consistency and vaguely plausible foundations are indeed “beautiful” but to me they are also basic preconditions for “truth.”
In economics, stimulus spending ran aground on Robert Barro’s Ricardian equivalence theorem. This theorem says that debt-financed spending can’t have any effect because people, seeing the higher future taxes that must pay off the debt, will simply save more. They will buy the new government debt and leave all spending decisions unaltered. Is this theorem true? It’s a logical connection from a set of “if” to a set of “therefore.” Not even Paul can object to the connection.
Therefore, we have to examine the “ifs.” And those ifs are, as usual, obviously not true. For example, the theorem presumes lump-sum taxes, not proportional income taxes. Alas, when you take this into account we are all made poorer by deficit spending, so the multiplier is most likely negative. The theorem (like most Keynesian economics) ignores the composition of output; but surely spending money on roads rather than cars can affect the overall level.
Economists have spent a generation tossing and turning the Ricardian equivalence theorem, and assessing the likely effects of fiscal stimulus in its light, generalizing the “ifs” and figuring out the likely “therefores.” This is exactly the right way to do things. The impact of Ricardian equivalence is not that this simple abstract benchmark is literally true. The impact is that in its wake, if you want to understand the effects of government spending, you have to specify why it is false. Doing so does not lead you anywhere near old-fashioned Keynesian economics. It leads you to consider distorting taxes, estate taxes, how much people care about their children, how many people would like to borrow more to finance today’s consumption and so on. And when you find “market failures” that might justify a multiplier, that analysis quickly suggests direct fixes for the market failures, not their exploitation along the lines Keynes suggested. Most “New Keynesian” analysis that add frictions don’t produce big multipliers.
This is how real thinking about stimulus actually proceeds. Nobody ever “asserted that an increase in government spending cannot, under any circumstances, increase employment.” This is unsupportable by any serious review of professional writings, and Krugman knows it. (My own are perfectly clear on lots of possibilities for an answer that is not zero.) But thinking through this sort of thing and explaining it is so much harder than just tarring your enemies with out-of-context quotes, ethical innuendo, or silly cartoons.
In fact, I propose that Krugman himself doesn’t really believe the Keynesian logic for that stimulus. I doubt he would follow that logic to its inevitable conclusions. Stimulus must have some other attraction to him.
If you believe the Keynesian argument for stimulus, you should think Bernie Madoff is a hero. Seriously. He took money from people who were saving it, and gave it to people who most assuredly were going to spend it. Each dollar so transferred, in Krugman’s world, generates an additional dollar and a half of national income. The analogy is even closer. Madoff didn’t just take money from his savers, he really borrowed it from them, giving them phony accounts with promises of great profits to come. This looks a lot like government debt.
If you believe the Keynesian argument for stimulus, you don’t care how the money is spent. All this puffery about “infrastructure,” monitoring, wise investment, jobs “created” and so on is pointless. Keynes thought the government should pay people to dig ditches and fill them up.
If believe in Keynesian stimulus, you don’t even care if the government spending money is stolen. Actually, that would be better. Thieves have notoriously high propensities to consume.
The crash.
Krugman’s article is supposedly about how the crash and recession changed our thinking, and what economics has to say about it. The most amazing piece of news in the whole article is that Paul Krugman has absolutely no idea about what caused the crash, what policies might have prevented it, and what policies we should adopt going forward. Furthermore, he seems completely unaware of the large body of work by economists who actually do know something about the banking and financial system, and have been thinking about it productively for a generation.
Here’s all he has to say: “Irrationality” caused markets to go up and then down. “Spending” then declined, for unclear reasons, possibly “irrational” as well. The sum total of his policy recommendations is for the Federal Government to spend like a drunken sailor after the fact.
Paul, there was a financial crisis, a classic near-run on banks. The centerpiece of our crash was not the relatively free stock or real estate markets, it was the highly regulated commercial banks. A generation of economists has thought really hard about these kinds of events. Look up Diamond, Rajan, Gorton, Kashyap, Stein, and so on. They’ve thought about why there is so much short term debt, why banks run, how deposit insurance and credit guarantees help, but how they give incentives for excessive risk taking.
If we want to think about events and policies, this seems like more than a minor detail. The hard and central policy debate over the last year was how to manage this financial crisis. Now it is how to set up the incentives of banks and other financial institutions so this mess doesn’t happen again. There’s lots of good and subtle economics here that New York Times readers might like to know about. What does Krugman have to say? Zero.
Krugman doesn’t even have anything to say about the Fed. Ben Bernanke did a lot more last year than set the funds rate to zero and then go off on vacation and wait for fiscal policy to do its magic. Leaving aside the string of bailouts, the Fed started term lending to securities dealers. Then, rather than buy treasuries in exchange for reserves, it essentially sold treasuries in exchange for private debt. Though the funds rate was near zero, the Fed noticed huge commercial paper and securitized debt spreads, and intervened in those markets. There is no “the” interest rate anymore, the Fed is managing them all. Recently the Fed has started buying massive quantities of mortgage-backed securities and long-term treasury debt.
Monetary policy now has little to do with “money” vs. “bonds” with all the latter lumped together. Monetary policy has become financial policy. Does any of this work? What are the dangers? Can the Fed stay independent in this new role? These are the questions of our time. What does Krugman have to say? Nothing.
Or perhaps Krugman’s point is that a cabal of obvious crackpots bedazzled all of macroeconomics with the beauty of their mathematics, to the point of inducing policy paralysis. Alas, that won’t stick. The sad fact is that few in Washington pay the slightest attention to neo-classical or intertemporal ideas. Paul’s simple Keynesianism has dominated policy analysis for decades and continues to do so. From the CEA to the Fed to the OMB and CBO, everyone just adds up consumer, investment and government “demand” to forecast output and uses simple Phillips curves to think about inflation. If a failure of ideas caused bad policy, it’s Keynes’ ideas that failed.
The future of economics.
How should economics change? Krugman argues for three incompatible changes.
First, Krugman argues for a future of economics that “recognizes flaws and frictions,” and incorporates alternative assumptions about behavior, especially towards risk-taking. To which I say, “Hello, Paul, where have you been for the last 30 years?” Macroeconomists have not spent 30 years admiring the eternal verities of Kydland and Prescott’s 1982 paper. Pretty much all we have been doing for 30 years is introducing flaws, frictions and new behaviors, especially new models of attitudes to risk, and comparing the resulting models, quantitatively, to data. The long literature on financial crises and banking which Krugman does not mention has been doing exactly this bidding for the same time.
Second, Krugman argues that “a more or less Keynesian view is the only plausible game in town,” and “Keynesian economics remains the best framework we have for making sense of recessions and depressions.” One thing is pretty clear by now, that when economics incorporates flaws and frictions, the result will not be to rehabilitate an 80-year-old book. As Paul bemoans, the “new Keynesians” who did just what he asks, putting Keynes inspired price-stickiness into logically coherent models, ended up with something that looked a lot more like monetarism. (Actually, though this is the consensus, my own work finds that new-Keynesian economics ended up with something much different and more radical than monetarism.) A science that moves forward almost never ends up back where it started. Einstein revises Newton, but does not send you back to Aristotle. At best you can play the fun game of hunting for inspirational quotes, but that doesn’t mean much.
Third, and most surprising, is Krugman’s Luddite attack on mathematics; “economists as a group, mistook beauty, clad in impressive-looking mathematics, for truth.” Models are “gussied up with fancy equations.” I’m old enough to remember when Krugman was young, working out the interactions of game theory and increasing returns in international trade, and the old guard tut-tutted “nice recreational mathematics, but not real-world at all.” How quickly time passes.
Again, what is the alternative? Does Krugman really think we can make progress on his – and my – agenda for economic and financial research — understanding frictions, imperfect markets, complex human behavior, institutional rigidities – by reverting to a literary style of exposition, and abandoning the attempt to compare theories quantitatively against data? Against the worldwide tide of quantification in all fields of human endeavor (read “Moneyball”) is there any real hope that this will work in economics?
No, the problem is that we don’t have enough math. Math in economics serves to keep the logic straight, to make sure that the “then” really does follow the “if,” which it so frequently does not if you just write prose. The challenge is how hard it is to write down explicit artificial economies with these ingredients, actually solve them, in order to see what makes them tick. Frictions are just bloody hard with the mathematical tools we have now.
The insults.
The level of personal attack in this article, and fudging of the facts to achieve it, is simply amazing.
As one little example (ok, I’m a bit sensitive), take my quotation about carpenters in Nevada. I didn’t write this. It’s a quote, taken out of context, from a bloomberg.com article written by a rather dense reporter who I spent about 10 hours with patiently trying to explain some basics. (It’s the last time I’ll do that!) I was trying to explain how sectoral shifts contribute to unemployment. Krugman follows it by a lie — I never asserted that “it take mass unemployment across the whole nation to get carpenters to move out of Nevada.” You can’t even dredge up a quote for that monstrosity.
What’s the point? I don’t think Paul disagrees that sectoral shifts result in some unemployment, so the quote actually makes sense as economics. The only point is to make me, personally, seem heartless — a pure, personal, calumnious attack, having nothing to do with economics.
Bob Lucas has written extensively on Keynesian and monetarist economics, sensibly and even-handedly. Krugman chooses to quote a joke, made back in 1980 at a lunch talk to some business school alumni. Really, this is on the level of the picture of Barack Obama with Bill Ayres that Sean Hannity likes to show on Fox News.
It goes on. Krugman asserts that I and others “believe” “that an increase in government spending cannot, under any circumstances, increase employment,” or that we “argued that price fluctuations and shocks to demand actually had nothing to do with the business cycle.” These are just gross distortions, unsupported by any documentation, let alone professional writing. And Krugman knows better. All economic models are simplified to exhibit one point; we all understand the real world is more complicated; and his job is supposed to be to explain that to lay readers. It would be no different than if we were to look up Paul’s early work which assumed away transport costs and claim “Paul Krugman believes ocean shipping is free, how stupid” in the Wall Street Journal.
Of course the idea that any of us do what we do because we’re paid off by fancy Wall Street salaries or cushy sabbaticals at Hoover is just ridiculous. (If Krugman knew anything about hedge funds he’d know that believing in efficient markets disqualifies you for employment. Nobody wants a guy who thinks you can’t make any money trading!) And given Krugman’s speaking fees and how much the looney right likes him, it’s a surprising first stone for him to cast.
Apparently, salacious prose, ethical innuendo, calumny, and selective quotation from media aren’t enough: Krugman added cartoons to try to make opponents look silly. The Lucas-Blanchard-Bernanke conspiratorial cocktail party celebrating the end of recessions is a fiction. So is their despondent gloom on reading “recession” in the paper. Nobody at a conference looks like Dr. Pangloss with wild hair and a suit from the 1800s. (OK, Randy Wright has the hair, but not the suit.) Keynes did not reappear at the NBER to be booed as an “outsider.” Why are you allowed to make things up in pictures that wouldn’t pass even the Times’ weak fact-checking in words?
Well, perhaps we got off easy. This all was mild compared to Krugman’s vicious obituary of Milton Friedman in the New York Review of Books. But most of all, Paul isn’t doing his job. He’s supposed to read, explain, and criticize things economists write, and preferably real professional writing, not interviews, opeds and blog posts. At a minimum, this leads to the unavoidable conclusion that Krugman simply isn’t reading real economics anymore. Well, the equations are hard. But most of all, who cares about Paul’s character assassination attempts of us boring and politically unimportant academics?
How did Krugman get it so wrong?
So what is Krugman up to? Why become a denier, a skeptic, an apologist for 70 year old ideas, replete with well-known logical fallacies, a pariah? Why publish an essentially personal attack on an ever-growing enemies list that now includes practically every professional economist? Why publish an incoherent vision for the future of economics?
The only explanation that makes sense to me is that Krugman isn’t trying to be an economist, he is trying to be a partisan, political opinion writer. This is not an insult. I read George Will, Charles Krauthnammer and Frank Rich with equal pleasure even when I disagree with them. Krugman wants to be Rush Limbaugh of the Left. I still want to be Milton Friedman, but each is a worthy calling.
Alas, to Krugman, as to far too many ex-economists in partisan debates, economics is not a quest for understanding. It is a set of debating points to argue for policies that one has adopted for partisan political purposes. “Stimulus” is just marketing with which to sell voters on a package of government spending priorities that you want for political reasons. It’s not a proposition to be explained, understood, taken seriously to its logical limits, or reflective of market failures that should be addressed directly. To my mind, Krugman left the world of economics when, in the California electricity crisis, he argued that supply curves slope down; that a price cap, desired by his political constituency, would increase electricity supplies. That position served the political goal no matter how tortured the economics. This is more of the same.
Why argue for a nonsensical future for economics? Well, again, if you don’t regard economics as a science, a discipline that ought to result in quantitative matches to data, a discipline that requires crystal-clear logical connections between the “if” and the “then,” if the point of economics is merely to provide marketing and propaganda for politically-motivated policy, then it all does make sense. It makes sense to appeal to some future economics – not yet worked out, even verbally –disdain quantification and comparison to data, and to appeal to the authority of ancient books as interpreted you, their lone remaining apostle.
Most of all, this is the only reason I can come up with to understand why Krugman wants to write personal attacks on those who disagree with him. I like it when people disagree with me, and take time to read my work and criticize it. At worst I learn how to position it better. At best, I discover I was wrong and learn something. I send a polite thank you note.
Krugman wants people to swallow his arguments whole from his authority, without demanding logic, or evidence. Those who disagree with him, alas, are pretty smart and have pretty good arguments if you bother to read them. So, he tries to discredit them with personal attacks.
This is the political sphere, not the intellectual one. Don’t argue with them, swift-boat them. Find some embarrassing quote from an old interview. Well, good luck, Paul. Let’s just not pretend this has anything to do with economics, or actual truth about how the world works or could be made a better place.
[1] University of Chicago Booth School of Business. Many colleagues and friends helped, but I don’t want to name them for obvious reasons. Please don’t bother emailing me to tell me what a jerk I am.

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Friday ~ September 11th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
RickRussellTX
Sadly, I think that few people will read Dr. Cochrane’s response, much less make an effort to understand it. And that’s a shame, because anybody who makes a fair effort to understand the concepts discussed therein will walk away with a much deeper understanding of the economy than most of our legislators.
Friday ~ September 11th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
genghis
dr. C
thank you, thank you thank you
now if we could get krugman to read and responde to this, we could put him away for good.
Saturday ~ October 31st, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Robert
Dr. C is out of rage, and lost his intelligence to make a decent counter fight. I do not think Krugman will reply this one. It is waste of time.
Wednesday ~ October 28th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Joanne Conrad
Hear! Hear!
Friday ~ September 11th, 2009 at 11:41 pm
Greg Ransom
Wow. Cochrane is the man. What a bitch slap.
Someone should have done this to Krugman years ago.
Saturday ~ September 12th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
Charley
He simply showed what a shallow person he is. The point of Krugman’s article, for all of its many flaws, is a narrative which explains how economics got it wrong.
Were Cochrane just a little more on topic, he might have offered his own take on THIS subject, rather than limiting his discussion to Krugman’s ad hominems.
Is this American Idol or a serious attempt to uncover the problem with economics?
Saturday ~ September 12th, 2009 at 1:08 am
Greg Ransom
When Krugman did this to the work of Roger Garrison and Friedrich Hayek, several years ago Cochrane said nothing.
The economics guild has let Krugman do this to others for years, and they said nothing about their politically and professionally powerful peer.
I can’t work up big tears for Cochrane, who stood by and let Krugman smear the work of other economists with poisonous falsifications.
Friday ~ September 18th, 2009 at 2:09 am
AlanDownunder
Cochrane, when not being ridiculously ad-hom, repeated quite a few of the fallacies and conceits that prevented him, and his discredited branch of the “profession”, from foreseeing the GFC – further, that helped create it.
Krugman did no more that point in the direction of the fallacies and conceits.
Remedial reading here:
http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2009/09/calling-milton-friedman-economists-have-always-built-models-in-which-aggregate-planned-expenditure-is-not-equal-to-income-de.html
http://johnquiggin.com/index.php/archives/2009/09/17/the-macro-wars/
http://demosthenes.blogspot.com/2009/09/krugman-carving-up-freshwater.html
but most of all, this, about those who did see it coming, and why they did:
http://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/15892/1/MPRA_paper_15892.pdf
Sunday ~ September 20th, 2009 at 11:17 pm
Greg Ransom
The problem with Krugman is that he’s a deeply dishonest man, deeply ignorant of great swathes of economic science, including most all the of the rich achievements of economic science before, say, the 1970s.
One of the things I like about Cochran’s push back is that he in some measure calls Krugman on this.
Saturday ~ September 12th, 2009 at 6:13 am
Nicolas
“He makes stuff up, boldly putting words in people’s mouths…”
but then, he might not be the only one:
“Well, if markets can’t be trusted to allocate capital, we don’t have to connect too many dots to imagine who Paul has in mind. ”
Here’s how I interpret this innuendo:
Paul Krugman is worried about the volatility of unregulated financial markets. Therefore he must want the government to replace them. Therefore he must be a communist.
Saturday ~ September 12th, 2009 at 8:40 am
anon
Krugman wins.
Saturday ~ September 12th, 2009 at 9:10 am
anon
Krugman:
“What I objected to in the mag article was the tendency to identify good math with good work. CAPM is a beautiful model; that doesn’t mean it’s right. The math of real business cycle models is much more elegant than that of New Keynesian models, let alone the kind of models that make room for crises like the one we’re in; that makes RBC models seductive, but it doesn’t make them any less silly.
And conversely, you can have great work in economics with little or no math. I can’t pull up papers now, but as I recall, Akerlof’s market for lemons had virtually no explicit math in its main exposition; yet it was transformative in its insight.
So by all means let’s have math in economics — but as our servant, not our master.”
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/11/mathematics-and-economics/
Saturday ~ September 12th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Charley
Let me see: The field of economics failed to warn of, and offer steps to avoid, this crisis because Krugman is stupid.
Okay, I got it.
Sunday ~ September 13th, 2009 at 2:11 am
David Hugh-Jones
Cochrane’s reply helped me understand the new Keynesian idea of stimulus spending versus the old one. And he’s surely right that behavioral economics is not yet ready to take on macro. But “Paul’s simple Keynesianism has dominated policy analysis for decades and continues to do so” – really? This sounds like a far-Righter complaining that Reagan is a Communist. And why is the guy so tetchy about the cartoons, and so obsessed with supposed “personal attacks”? Krugman’s piece focused on ideas, not people.
Sunday ~ September 13th, 2009 at 9:37 am
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Sunday ~ September 13th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
Mr Denmore
Krugman is closer to the truth. It seems entirely sensible and intuitively right to claim that economists have spent too much time with their mathematical models and too little time on how the world actually works.
Economics went wrong when it strayed from its foundations in ‘political economy’ and started to espouse some Platonic ideal that bore little resemblance to the real world of human beings.
Yes, humans can make mistakes too. But this idea that you leave all important decisions to an amorphous “market” got out of hand. And now, we are all living with the consequences.
Sunday ~ September 13th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
anon
While your entire rebuttal is generally poor, your section under the heading “the crash” is especially weak. You say “Paul, there was a financial crisis, a classic near-run on banks.”, but you never endeavor to explain WHY there was a financial crisis. It’s as if it just happened. Oops! Nevermind the massive real estate bubble and stockpiling of worthless debt – don’t even bother trying to explain the causes of the financial crash. It was entirely unpredictable, right?
Tuesday ~ June 14th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
Stephen
He answers this by citing research.
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Sunday ~ September 13th, 2009 at 11:46 pm
John Emerson
Swift-boating is apparently the only politics Cochrane knows about. The Chicago school is like that; they misrepresent everyone else’s politics, and then use that misrepresentation to justify their own brutishness.
Monday ~ September 14th, 2009 at 1:14 am
Jonathan Weinstein
1. Cochrane: “Keynes thought the government should pay people to dig ditches and fill them up.” This misrepresents Keynes in an exactly analogous manner to go the misrepresentations Prof. Cochrane bemoans, which accuse people of believing their models are literally true. Keynes wanted to make the counter-intuitive point that it is at least *possible* that such ditch-digging would be beneficial. I am sure that he and all of his followers recognized it would be better to do something constructive with the spending. Whether the current stimulus money has been spent wisely is a separate issue.
Prof. Cochrane may have intentionally exaggerated Keynesianism as a bit of rhetoric, assuming readers would recognize the exaggeration.
2. If we take seriously the idea that no one can consistently beat the market, shouldn’t we conclude that any hedge funds or investment banks making big profits *must* have huge hidden risks? If these implied risks are big enough to require bailouts, shouldn’t they be regulated? Or perhaps the gains taxed more heavily, if the public must cover the losses. Efficient market theory doesn’t prevent financiers from making a killing at the public and/or shareholders’ expense if they experience gains and losses asymmetrically. This is point is made better at more length in “Hedge Fund Wizards” by Dean Foster and Peyton Young, bepress. Neither Krugman nor Cochrane gets into the meat of financial regulation, which Cochrane seems to recognize as a central topic post-crash (and on which I do not claim much expertise.)
Jonathan Weinstein, Northwestern University
Monday ~ September 14th, 2009 at 2:40 am
Reactions to Krugman on the state of macroeconomics « Knowledge Problem
[...] (and in a somewhat different editorial mood), University of Chicago economist John Cochrane offers his view of the Krugman essay: It’s a disservice to New York Times readers. They depend on Krugman to read [...]
Monday ~ September 14th, 2009 at 3:53 am
How Did Economists Get It So Wrong? « RUDINOMICS
[...] John Cochrane’s Response to Paul Krugman: Click here [...]
Monday ~ September 14th, 2009 at 7:25 am
William L. Anderson
Not only is Krugman engaged in constant in-your-face personal attacks on anyone who might disagree with him, but he can’t even get his history correct. He constantly is telling us that all market deregulation was born of Reaganite ideology (whatever that is), but much of the initiative for deregulation came from the Jimmy Carter administration and especially from Carter’s economic adviser, Alfred Kahn. The last time I checked, Carter still was a liberal Democrat.
As for Krugman’s history of U.S. banking, he seems to forget that by the end of the 1970s, it was agreed on many sides that the financial cartel that was created by the New Deal was inadequate to deal with many of the new technologies that entrepreneurs wanted to use in forging new products and services. It was Michael Milken who led the way in providing finance outside the cartelized system and many of the technologies and services we take for granted today would not have developed as well had they actually depended upon the system that Krugman champions.
(People forget that Rudy Giuliani’s crusade against Milken involved Giuliani regularly breaking the law and engaging in one of the most publicly-abusive prosecutions in modern history, and Giuliani’s tactics recall the infamous Michael Nifong in the faux Duke Lacrosse “Non-Rape” Case. In the end, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled two years after Milken’s guilty plea — ruling in another case — that the things to which Milken pleaded were not even crimes. It seems that Giuliani was doing the dirty work of the other Wall street bankers who did not appreciate competition from the upstart Milken, and Krugman’s part-time employer, the New York Times, was all-too-happy to aid and abet felonies on behalf of Giuliani by printing illegally-leaked material from the federal grand jury. So much for the Times’ alleged belief in “rule of law.”)
In my career, I have met a number of Nobel Prize winners in economics and will say that none of them displayed the nastiness and personal insecurity that Krugman regularly gives us in his columns and other writings. Unfortunately, Krugman thinks that his Nobel now gives him license to attack his own “Great White Whale” of free markets and to write caricatures and exaggerations where he should be giving us some real-live introspection. This not only speaks to the character of the person, but also his lack of any kind of economic understanding. I mean when deregulation initiatives are led by a Democratic president and a Democratic Congress, why he insists otherwise is testament to his own personal dishonesty.
Monday ~ September 14th, 2009 at 9:31 am
D.W. MacKenzie
I suppose Cochrane has a point, if he means only that Krugman type editorials cannot pass as economic science. But his disparagement of “literary” economics seems more general, and is just one more example of the fallacy of style. Verbal if-then statments are every bit as valid as mathematical translations, and the use of math guarantees nothing. How many formal math models engage in false comparisons between imperfect markets and idealized governments?
Coase and Demstz exposed the logical flaws of formal mathenomics nearly half a century ago, yet Krugman does not understand that nobody thinks of markets as perfect, and Cochrane does not appreciate the role of formal math models in hiding the flaws of Nirvana Economics. Why is intellectual progress so slow?
Monday ~ September 14th, 2009 at 11:05 am
Cochrane responds to Krugman « Market Process Blog
[...] How Did Economists Get it So Wrong? In a response to the article John H. Cochrane replies asking How Did Paul Krugman Get is So Wrong? Both pieces are definitely worth the read. Just a small excerpt from Cochrane’s [...]
Monday ~ September 14th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
microeconomist
Ricardian Equivalance only applies to changes in tax revenue, not changes in government spending. Is Cochrane really that stupid? I wouldn’t believe he could be except that it’s coming straight from his own words…apparently he is.
Tuesday ~ September 15th, 2009 at 1:35 am
jbs
@mckenzie, re:
“But his disparagement of “literary” economics seems more general, and is just one more example of the fallacy of style. Verbal if-then statements are every bit as valid as mathematical translations, and the use of math guarantees nothing.”
The real world economy is dynamic and incredibly complex. A hypothetical accurate model of even a very specific phenomenon would need to take into account frictions, mechanism design concepts like incentive compatibility, etc., all in a dynamic setting. Many models at the frontier of macro research today cannot be solved analytically; they require computer programs to calculate numeric approximations of the solutions. Solving modern heterogeneous agent models sometimes require several days on a supercomputer. And even these models of hopelessly simple compared to the real world. It’s simply impossible to use literary exposition to make accurate conclusions about such a complex system.
The bottom line is that progress in macroeconomic research cannot come from abandoning dynamics and microfoundations as Krugman seems to suggest.
Tuesday ~ September 15th, 2009 at 1:53 am
Economists have already ruined everything, so why should we care what they’re doing now? « My Name Is Legion
[...] few people have offered rebuttals; some, like John Cochrane, appear more like bitter responses than substantive. He clearly misunderstands a lot of what Krugman wrote and offers plenty of [...]
Tuesday ~ September 15th, 2009 at 5:53 am
justasimpleton
This may not be a relevant question. But, in my understanding of the issues, in criticizing Krugman, no one is talking about the enforced additions to the markets that have happened over the years. Just an example would the forcing of all retirement fund into the stock market rather than old school pensions.
How many billions of government sponsered money is this for the markets?
Tuesday ~ September 15th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Majorajam
There’s plenty to lament about Krugman’s NYT magazine article, not least his flippant dismissal of Schumpeter’s (IMO valid) assertion, but this response made me forget all that. This is just plain embarrassing. Seriously, this guy is a world renowned economist that believes this last financial crisis was a classic run on the ‘heavily regulated’ (my ass) banking system? The kind that economists have been pondering for a generation? Really??????
Talk about ideological blinders. Was it the banking system that seized up after the BROKER DEALER Lehman Brothers was allowed to go bankrupt (following on the effective insolvency of a second B&D Bear Stearns)? No dear Johnny, that would be the money, repo and CDS markets and the massively leveraged pile of nuclear waste that sat atop or was insured by those liabilities, together comprising the SHADOW banking system.
In other words, the weak(est) link in the financial chain was actually the entirely UNREGULATED shadow banking system. It was the ‘bank run’ that materialized there that threatened collapse of the system as a whole before the intervention of government and regulators saved it (Government! To think it!). If you don’t know that, if you don’t understand why that is, how it came to be and why that matters, then you’re as pig ignorant as my gyro sandwich, minus the tantalizing tzatziki sauce.
In matter of fact, Krugman has already demonstrated a far greater grasp of the financial crisis than this caricature of an unreconstructed monetarist- more even than my gyro sandwich. He has grudgingly if still haltingly acknowledged the relevance of Minsky dynamics to the business cycle in general, and our current state of malaise in particular. Better, he has also made the entirely necessary point that you economists got it dead wrong, and by and large are dead wrong by rule, (with the notable exception of Marty Weitzman).
Sad that you should waste the opportunity this moment of manifest failure presents- where your work has been abjectly discredited in front of a world audience- to redeem whatever negligible value your insights may have ever held. Sad, to say nothing of irretreivably irrational. So it goes…
Tuesday ~ September 15th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
Brian H. Bragg
I would ask Prof. Cochran to explain how his assertion last November (“We should have a recession. People who spend their lives pounding nails in Nevada need something else to do.”) differs in any substantive way from Prof. Krugman’s paraphrasing it as a suggestion that we have “mass unemployment across the whole nation to get carpenters to move out of Nevada”?
Prof. Cochrane tells me, “You can’t even dredge up a quote for that monstrosity.” But I just did, and it sounds to me as if Prof. Krugman’s characterization was spot-on.
Yet Prof. Cochrane calls Prof. Krugman a liar, taking a rhetorical cue from Redneck Joe of South Carolina. In a similarly vapid whine, he would have us believe he was somehow betrayed by “a rather dense reporter” after giving 10 hours of his valuable time patiently explaining the basics of economics.
Poor Prof. Cochran. It was the messenger’s fault.
Chicago School economists have been flaunting their fashionable new clothes in the faces of the peasantry for a generation. Too bad it took a national and global disaster of such tragic proportions to reveal at last their utter nakedness. And yet Prof. Cochrane and others from his echo chamber still prance around, preening and imploring us to admire their good taste and asking us to overlook the fact that their buttocks are hanging in the breeze.
Sorry, Professor. The comments of Majorajam above (his gyro sandwich, indeed!) accurately contravene your feeble attempts to misdirect us from the truth of last fall’s collapse. In your reflexively defensive posture, your rigidly ideological attempt to obscure the fatal flaws of free-market economics, you have wasted an eminently teachable moment.
Wednesday ~ October 28th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Joanne
Talk about ad hominem attacks! I guess you don’t know about the letter signed by 100 +/1 economists. It “ain’t” just Chicago.
Wednesday ~ September 16th, 2009 at 1:52 am
Old Timer
In Cochrane’s weak inside-baseball essay, he comes off like a guy trying to impress his own congregation of elite cliquesters (why else mention Randy Wright’s hair?) rather than producing a convincing defense of mainstream macro/finance.
The problem with the economics profession is that it’s made up of a bunch of nerds who got Ph.D’s and who now think they are cool–too cool to be judged by the likes of “ex economists” like Krugman, let alone mere mortals like the rest of us.
They have their fancy models (DSGE) and their blackbox econometric techniques (MCMC) and if you don’t do things in the most complicated way possible, then your paper is mostly ignored.
Simple (but explanatory) models like adaptive expectations are sneered upon while complicated nearly impossible to solve rational expectations models are celebrated.
The profession (mostly macro I’m talking about here) is hopelessly dominated by a few powerful cliques. It’s not about the science or telling the truth, it’s about scoring points in a publication/prestige game.
Nobody should be suprised that the economics profession missed the boat. They don’t really care about the boat. They only care about scoring points in their own little publication/prestige game.
Wednesday ~ September 16th, 2009 at 11:36 am
R
3 big quotes that weren’t deal with
1) And so Chicago’s Cochrane, outraged at the idea that government spending could mitigate the latest recession, declared: “It’s not part of what anybody has taught graduate students since the 1960s. They [Keynesian ideas] are fairy tales that have been proved false. It is very comforting in times of stress to go back to the fairy tales we heard as children, but it doesn’t make them less false.” (It’s a mark of how deep the division between saltwater and freshwater runs that Cochrane doesn’t believe that “anybody” teaches ideas that are, in fact, taught in places like Princeton, M.I.T. and Harvard.)
2) In a 2007 interview, Eugene Fama, the father of the efficient-market hypothesis, declared that “the word ‘bubble’ drives me nuts,” and went on to explain why we can trust the housing market: “Housing markets are less liquid, but people are very careful when they buy houses. It’s typically the biggest investment they’re going to make, so they look around very carefully and they compare prices. The bidding process is very detailed.”
3) Instead, they asked only whether asset prices made sense given other asset prices. Larry Summers, now the top economic adviser in the Obama administration, once mocked finance professors with a parable about “ketchup economists” who “have shown that two-quart bottles of ketchup invariably sell for exactly twice as much as one-quart bottles of ketchup,” and conclude from this that the ketchup market is perfectly efficient.
1) How does Cochrane reply to the charge that he “doesn’t believe that ‘anybody’ teaches ideas that are, in fact, taught in places like Princeton, M.I.T. and Harvard”?
2) Does Fama now concede there was a housing bubble, perhaps partially caused by bad incentives?
3) Has anyone answered Larry Summers powerful critique?
4) After the Great Depression, there were was a law passed requiring a 20% down payment to buy a house. The “markets are smarter than government people” took away this restriction under Reagan. Had it of been in place, the housing bubble would have been greatly diminished, and our economy much stronger. Does Cochrane disagree on that point? Can he see the benefit of some limited and intelligent government regulations that are designed to less the likelihood and severity of bubbles?
Wednesday ~ September 16th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Alfred Marshall
Both Krugman and Summers left the economics profession in the 1980s. Like all sciences it has moved on in the last twenty or thirty years. They are obsolete just like my cassette tapes.
Wednesday ~ September 16th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Matt Matson
Angry about personal attacks, distortions of his positions, and ignorance of economic literature, Cochrane makes personal attacks, distorts Krugman’s positions, and demonstrates an ignorance of the basic rational for fiscal stimulus.
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“[Ricardian equivalence] says that debt-financed spending can’t have any effect because people, seeing the higher future taxes that must pay off the debt, will simply save more. . . . ”
This error has been addressed repeatedly.
Krugman addressed:
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/06/one-more-time/
Brad Delong and Kevin Quinn:
http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2009/03/ricardian-consumers-and-fiscal-policy-once-again.html
Cochrane repeats his Ricardian equivalence argument in many forums, but never addresses these arguments.
Wednesday ~ September 16th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
Kory
I am so happy to have read your rebuttal to Krugmans’ purely ideological blather. I came to the same concise conclusion recently: Paul Krugman is a Liberal, not an Economist.
Wednesday ~ September 16th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
mir
Krugman wins.
There WAS a bubble in real estate. Anybody who fights this word must live in an abstract universe that is far removed from the one the rest of us live in.
When regular people must resort to teaser rate, zero or negative amortization mortgages to be able to afford to buy a house, then prices have clearly spiraled out of control. The sudden contraction is further proof that the word “bubble” fits perfectly.
How anybody could claim that the banking system was/is in fact overregulated, given the insane constructs these people were allowed to come up with, is an absolute miracle to me.
Its time to wake up and look at the simple facts of life. The neo classical models are getting us nowhere.
Wednesday ~ September 16th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
A
Re this dummy spit of Cochrane’s
He obviously didnt predict the GFC or the build up to the GFC in any of his maths.
He does however predict one thing right. People will email him and tell him and his friends at Chicago Booth what jerks they have been for 40 years.
Wednesday ~ September 16th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
Bloix
Not a single mention of the housing bubble. The closest we come is this:
“Crying “bubble” is no good unless you have an operational procedure for identifying bubbles, distinguishing them from rationally low risk premiums..”
I.e., no one could have predicted …
The guy has obviously never seen this graph:
http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2009/02/house-prices-real-prices-price-to-rent.html
Thursday ~ September 17th, 2009 at 1:15 am
arhtur
John Cochrane accusing people of being insulting? This is a bit rich after all of your personal attacks against Krugman in the piece. Oh, and remember the letter you wrote against the MFI petitioners? All you’ve done was to insult them for not knowing grammar and writing in bad prose. How is that different from the “salacious prose, ethical innuendo, calumny, and selective quotation” that you accuse Krugman of?
Why don’t you look up the word hypocrite, Cochrane? ‘Cause that’s exactly what you are
Thursday ~ September 17th, 2009 at 3:00 am
Calling Milton Friedman: Economists Have Always Built Models in Which Aggregate Planned Expenditure Is Not Equal to Income Department | Bailout and Financial Crisis News
[...] I am apparently a stronger man than Robert Waldmann. I made it to paragraph 19–the one where Nick Rowe got hung up too: [...]
Thursday ~ September 17th, 2009 at 3:05 am
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[...] I am apparently a stronger man than Robert Waldmann. I made it to paragraph 19–the one where Nick Rowe got hung up too: [...]
Thursday ~ September 17th, 2009 at 5:46 am
A
Weirdo egotistical hypocrite…who cannot admit not partial lety alone TOTAL failure as an economist to get ANY sort of grip on REALITY.
Go back to your maths and see where you got carried away with your own brilliance Cochrane….
Where is Greenspan..he found a flaw but has disappeared from the media?? Did Cochrane and idiot friends at Chicago Booth gag him?
Thursday ~ September 17th, 2009 at 5:52 am
A
Kory is dead right right – Krugman is a conservative first and an economist last…so are all his dear good friends at Chicago Booth. Always have been…always will be. They work for G..the god Greed. They are paid by those who have vested interests and they are happy to comply.
They dont care how many ordinary people across the world they have bankrupted with their BS.
Thursday ~ September 17th, 2009 at 5:54 am
A
Oops I meant Cochrane in last post
Thursday ~ September 17th, 2009 at 6:30 am
Graeme Greenup
Cochrane’s claim that the Krugman obituary of Milton Friedman was “vicious” inspired me to read it ( http://www.nybooks.com/articles/19857 ). I was surprised to find that it is good. Krugman calls Friedman a great man and a great economist (in the good sense). He says that Friedman was “… a man of intellectual courage who was one of the most important economic thinkers of all time, and possibly the most brilliant communicator of economic ideas to the general public that ever lived”. There are plenty of other generous comments in it. “Vicious”? – I conclude that it may be Cochrane not Krugman who’s the more blinded by ideology.
Cochrane needs to make a start on his mathematically informed explanations for the recent financial meltdown and shouldn’t delude himself that a scowling handwave as above toward Fanny, Freddie and “Congress” is anything of the sort.
Thursday ~ September 17th, 2009 at 8:20 am
John and Dagny Galt
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Thursday ~ September 17th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Ross Boylan
One criticism of the efficient markets hypothesis is that it is incompatible with the huge, rapid swings in market value that occur. The defense above distorts that criticism, and then rebuts the distorted version. The distorted version is “we were attacked for not predicting the crash, including when it occurred.” But that’s not the criticism; the criticism is that the behavior of the world is inconsistent with the underlying theory. Also, it was possible to see the bubble, and some did manage to see it. Knowing that there is a bubble is not necessarily sufficient to profit from it, since one needs either a lot of capital or knowledge of when the market will turn to make money. The government certainly could act on such knowledge, however.
The piece does suggest that a sudden change in risk preferences could explain the change in valuations. Again, why would such a sudden change occur? Again, the issue is not ability to predict it before the fact, but whether the theory is even consistent with such occurrences.
The piece seems a bit schizophrenic on fiscal stimulus. The first part certainly sounds as if it is foolish, but the author later claims to have a more nuanced view. OK: should the government be spending more to deal with the recession or not? If the answer is not, the claim to have been caricatured on this point is pretty weak.
Finally, a note on jokes. There is a fairly plausible theory of organizational culture in which it is the informal stories (presumably including jokes) which help shape actual behavior. In short, the jokes are not “just” jokes. I remember a seminar at the Univ of Chicago in the 80s in which there was an exchange about what the government would do with the extra revenue from some policy. A leading member of the economics faculty (can’t recall whom… Barro?) said “they could spend it all on worthless public goods.” There was knowing laughter all around. Jokes are revealing; what they reveal is not always pretty.
Thursday ~ September 17th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
Emil Suric
“but the central empirical prediction of the efficient markets hypothesis is precisely that nobody can tell where markets are going – neither benevolent government bureaucrats, nor crafty hedge-fund managers, nor ivory-tower academics.”
99% of Austrian economists saw this mess coming. Anyone who knows anything about inflation should have seen the relative price distortions and misallocations of resources into unwarranted activities, ergo bubbles. This is the problem with the mainstream: when they’re exposed as clueless, they begin bickering and pointing fingers at themselves, without acknowledging those who were right. I believe it was Krugman who said that the FED should keep interest rates at 0% in 2001 in order to inflate a housing bubble and pull the economy out of the recession (he actually used the word bubble).
Thursday ~ September 17th, 2009 at 11:06 pm
A microeconomist.
I find this response as silly as the Chicago macro theory itself. Let me just quote from the response “Krugman at bottom is arguing that the government should massively intervene in financial markets, and take charge of the allocation of capital.” Really? Is Professor Cochrane moonlighting as a mind-reader?
Friday ~ September 18th, 2009 at 3:46 am
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[...] was reminded of New Keynesian economics this week when I read the vituperative reply to Paul Krugman’s New York Times article How Did Economists Get It So Wrong? The attack on [...]
Friday ~ September 18th, 2009 at 7:01 am
Murphy Critique of John Cochrane’s Response to Krugman | Austrian Economics Blog
[...] many readers here probably already know, Chicago economist John Cochrane wrote a blistering reply to Paul Krugman’s NYT Magazine piece on what’s wrong with the economics profession. [...]
Friday ~ September 18th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
Economists: Repent
[...] earlier call in the NYT Magazine for fresh water economists to repent has provoked a sharp response from its targets (h/t John Quiggin, who has a nice summary). I am not aware of anyone else [...]
Wednesday ~ May 4th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
India
Thats not just logic. Thats really sneibsle.
Friday ~ September 18th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
Gregory Mihalich
Can anyone really argue that commercially borrowed credit acts any different than government borrowed credit? Please tell me how Cochrane can apply a stream of logic to government borrowed credit but (he and many others) have some other logic they use for commercially borrowed credit? To me they both create demand, create jobs and create an extraction by the rate of aggregate interest back to the same source – commercial banks. What is the difference? It certainly isn’t central planning as it is clear our government has outsourced practically everything. It doesn’t own the means of production. So what is the difference? To me, if Robert Barro’s Ricardian equivalence theorem isn’t applied to commercial debt-based stimulus then is seems little more than some contrived cover for a political agenda to support lower taxes for a certain class of people. I will await some explanation on this point.
Friday ~ September 18th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
Gregory Mihalich
This is from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricardian_equivalence
“In simple terms, the theory can be described as follows. Governments may either finance their spending by taxing current taxpayers, or they may borrow money by issuing bonds. In the latter case, they must eventually repay this borrowing by raising taxes above what they would otherwise have been in future. The choice is therefore between “tax now” and “tax later”.
Suppose that the government finances some extra spending through deficits – i.e. tax later. Ricardo argued that although taxpayers would have more money now, they would realize that they would have to pay higher tax in future and therefore save the tax cut in order to pay the future tax rise. The effect on demand would be exactly the same as if the government financed its saving [spending??? my addition] through taxes.”
Okay, if this is true then “DEBT-FINACED” spending that is acquired through the commercial banking system is subject to the same law. Thus if people buy houses today taking on mortgages then this will indeed result in people saving more to pay off their mortgages in the future.
Thus within the economy there is NO GROWTH because as one industry gains (housing), all other industries must lose by that portion from lack of consumption because the interest payments on mortgages WILL and DO act like a TAX. There is no net change in demand.
You either buy today and save tomorrow (to pay for interest) or you save today and buy tomorrow.
If this is true of the mortgage sector then it is true for ALL commercially bank underwritten debt-financed spending. All interest is a TAX and thus then all access and use of commercial credit FAILS to stimulate spending.
Thus if this is the case, then the next most rational step in logic is to accept that interest rates in reality would be irrelevant (monetary theory out the window) as lower interest rates would raise asset prices due to the bidding wars (is this not evidentiary?!!) thus raising the amount borrowed and in a reversed scenario, higher interest rates may lower the amount borrowed but raise the amount of interest to be paid.
Why did I hear everyday from Kudlow and Company on CNBC about how we have to lower interest rates to stimulate the economy? Under Cochran’s main argument (if applied to all systems that act like a tax) there can be no net stimulus. Who should I believe? Cochran, Kudlow or my own eyes?
Speaking of Kudlow has anybody noticed that they stopped chanting their supply-side mantra? “Supply-side economics is the best path to prosperity”. Or something like that.
If Fiscal stimulus is bogus then Monetary stimulus is doubly bogus!
Does anybody have a comment or correction on this? I welcome any debate or correction except one. Do not tell me banks spend their interest income. I will only reply by saying “so what, what do you think the government does with tax receipts”. Again if I missed something or you think me clueless, I welcome any new knowledge. I am more than willing to learn and change. We should all be so.
If Cochrane’s Robert Barro’s Ricardian equivalence theorem rebuttal is his cannon fire at Keynes, it sounded more like a popgun to me. You are going to have to do better than that Sir. I mean that respectfully.
Saturday ~ September 19th, 2009 at 11:55 am
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Sunday ~ September 20th, 2009 at 4:38 am
War of Words – Keynesian vs Neoclassical Economists « IIMC PGPEX 09-10 Blog
[...] http://modeledbehavior.com/2009/09/11/john-cochrane-responds-to-paul-krugman-full-text/ [...]
Sunday ~ September 20th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
The economist’s tiff and the market for science : Core Economics
[...] allows you to start to understand why lots of academic economists were upset with Krugman. John Cochrane basically argued that they were doing the research it is just hard. David Levine echoes a similar [...]
Sunday ~ September 20th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
Rex Rector
The usual braindead Austrians in the comments I note: eg – doug nutjob mackenzie and the truly embarassing greg ‘i have never published anything nor ever studied economics but constantly lecture others on how to do nomics’ ransom.
Wednesday ~ October 28th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
Joanne Conrad
didn’t the “braindead Austrians” predict 1929 and 2008?
Monday ~ September 21st, 2009 at 6:56 am
Patrick
Krugman explained the Ricardian equivalance thing a while ago on his blog – here it is:
One more time
Brad DeLong is, rightly, horrified at the great Ricardian equivalence misunderstanding. It’s one thing to have an argument about whether consumers are perfectly rational and have perfect access to the capital markets; it’s another to have the big advocates of all that perfection not understand the implications of their own model.
So let me try this one more time.
Here’s what we agree on: if consumers have perfect foresight, live forever, have perfect access to capital markets, etc., then they will take into account the expected future burden of taxes to pay for government spending. If the government introduces a new program that will spend $100 billion a year forever, then taxes must ultimately go up by the present-value equivalent of $100 billion forever. Assume that consumers want to reduce consumption by the same amount every year to offset this tax burden; then consumer spending will fall by $100 billion per year to compensate, wiping out any expansionary effect of the government spending.
But suppose that the increase in government spending is temporary, not permanent — that it will increase spending by $100 billion per year for only 1 or 2 years, not forever. This clearly implies a lower future tax burden than $100 billion a year forever, and therefore implies a fall in consumer spending of less than $100 billion per year. So the spending program IS expansionary in this case, EVEN IF you have full Ricardian equivalence.
Is that explanation clear enough to get through? Is there anybody out there?
Monday ~ September 21st, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Ross Boylan
The premise that people and organizations have perfect foresight and are capable of acting on it is false, and so I reject Cochrane’s claim that Ricardian equivalence is the null hypothesis we must either accept or justify ignoring.
A milder form, e.g., effects of stimulus may be weaker then expected because some actors anticipate future taxes, seems reasonable and worth considering.
That said, no, Krugman’s explanation given above is not clear enough; at least, it doesn’t make sense to me. He seems to be arguing against a claim that I doubt anyone made, namely that people would react to a temporary tax cut as if it were permanent. As I understand it, the “Ricardian equivlanence” position is that, for example, a tax cut of $100 billion/yr for 2 years creates a corresponding future tax bill, and people will anticipate that tax bill leaving no net effect.
There is another interesting feature of the argument: it’s circular. In the world of perfect foresight, if people believe a stimulus will work, it will. The expenditures now may be balanced by taxes later, but if current expenditures boost income now, there is another factor. The stimulus will boost future income. It will boost it at least by the short-run effect of of the stimulus. If the short run boost permanently raises the output of the economy, because future growth will be from a higher base, its effect will be even larger. So the “theorem” seems to neglect possible changes in long-run income and wealth; such changes would make the stimulus effect positive.
Conversely, if everyone believed that a stimulus were ineffective they would not anticipate higher income, and so the stimulus would have no effect.
In short, in this fictional world of rational discounting of the future, if people believe the Ricardian equivalence theorem their actions will make it true, and if they don’t believe it their actions will make it false.
Monday ~ September 21st, 2009 at 11:07 am
クルーグマンはどこで間違えたのか | クレセントワークス[Crescentworks] 尼崎市の集客WEBサイト制作会社
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Wednesday ~ September 23rd, 2009 at 10:32 am
The state of economics « ex curiae
[...] article in the NY Times Magazine are incredible. Here’s Krugman’s sensible article; here’s Cochrane’s rebuttal. And here is Brad Delong ripping into some incredible comments of [...]
Saturday ~ September 26th, 2009 at 8:05 am
Кругман/Кокрейн « The Economist Café
[...] довольно жестко отвечают Кругману, например, Джон Кохрейн (здесь на русском) и Дэвид Левайн. Это неполный список [...]
Friday ~ October 2nd, 2009 at 4:49 am
Is Beauty Mistaken For Truth?
[...] based on representative agents with rational expectations who maximize over an infinite future). John Cochrane launches an equally blistering response rhetorically beginning with: “Krugman, says, most [...]
Wednesday ~ October 7th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
Anticipaciones de la crisis « Procesos de aprendizaje
[...] etc. etc. Es verdad que la mayoría del resto de la profesión no se anticipó a la crisis. John Cochrane, de Chicago, en su réplica al artículo famoso de Krugman (y que ya me he cansado de enlazar) [...]
Friday ~ October 9th, 2009 at 10:38 am
henrywil22
The simple problem of Mr. Krugman’s work of late is it’s lack of actual economic validity and importance. He has become a shadow of an economist, and more the populist writer. He is now on his second career, that of a political operative. Really it is rather sad, I would much rather see him go back to doing acutal academic work, rather than being another pundit at the New York Times.
Wednesday ~ October 14th, 2009 at 9:49 am
Krugman on math and economic crisis : Alan Furth — The Blog
[...] be fair, Cochrane’s response to Krugman states that the quote was taken out of context I didn’t write this. It’s a quote, [...]
Saturday ~ October 31st, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Going on Record - The Jverse
[...] won’t take credit for the easy ones: Bill Kristol, George Will, Paul Krugman, anyone else in policy positions or in the MSM. These guys are never right*–it’s sort [...]
Saturday ~ November 14th, 2009 at 5:16 am
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[...] John Cochrane's Response to Paul Krugman: Full Text « Modeled Behavior… クレヨンしんちゃんの作者、遺体で発見 群馬・荒船山のがけ下 谷口が2年ぶり優勝 男子ゴルフANAオープン 自民再生巡り応酬 総裁選3候補が討論会 吉野家、店内LED照明を全店の1割に 第一三共、「ヒブワクチン」輸入拡大 細菌性髄膜炎を予防 … [...]
Wednesday ~ November 18th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
University of Scheffiled
I have read both articles and all of the comments for the purpose of my academic thesis in political economy I appreciate all efforts here that concern the debate..I am from Macedonia, (Europe, Balkan region) and I am so happy this crisis happened all of citizens in developed world to feel the misery of unemployment and experience the life without money. Just as I have spent 20 years of my life for nothing and even have no idea for my future. I just pray for good health to all good people and myself. Holding a academic degree, speaking five languages, and other professional skills as a result of the Game theory and the Chicago school I am simple victim. Me and my child. The reality and the truth lies between the Cochranes’ and the Krugmans’ thesis.
Tuesday ~ November 24th, 2009 at 1:48 am
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Sunday ~ November 29th, 2009 at 3:40 am
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Friday ~ December 4th, 2009 at 3:53 am
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[...] John Cochrane's Response to Paul Krugman: Full Text « Modeled BehaviorVia Casey Mulligan, Cochrane responds to Krugman’s NYT Magazine piece. What follows below is the full text of Cochrane’s response. Mulligan linked to it as a Word Document. I felt it would have more presence of the blogosphere as html. … [...]
Saturday ~ December 12th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
健康・一番 » Blog Archive » ヒブワクチン 新型インフルエンザって知ってます?
[...] John Cochrane's Response to Paul Krugman: Full Text « Modeled BehaviorVia Casey Mulligan, Cochrane responds to Krugman’s NYT Magazine piece. What follows below is the full text of Cochrane’s response. Mulligan linked to it as a Word Document. I felt it would have more presence of the blogosphere as html. … [...]
Monday ~ December 14th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
健康・一番 » Blog Archive » ヒブワクチン 新型インフルエンザの相談
[...] John Cochrane's Response to Paul Krugman: Full Text « Modeled BehaviorVia Casey Mulligan, Cochrane responds to Krugman’s NYT Magazine piece. What follows below is the full text of Cochrane’s response. Mulligan linked to it as a Word Document. I felt it would have more presence of the blogosphere as html. … [...]
Tuesday ~ December 15th, 2009 at 11:24 pm
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Saturday ~ January 2nd, 2010 at 11:28 pm
健康・一番 » Blog Archive » 新型インフルエンザ 山口県のことなら
[...] John Cochrane's Response to Paul Krugman: Full Text « Modeled BehaviorVia Casey Mulligan, Cochrane responds to Krugman’s NYT Magazine piece. What follows below is the full text of Cochrane’s response. Mulligan linked to it as a Word Document. I felt it would have more presence of the blogosphere as html. … [...]
Friday ~ January 29th, 2010 at 10:49 am
Krugman, Keynesians, Statists and Sybil | The Unbroken Window
[...] is well known that Paul Krugman has morphed from Nobel Prize winning columnist into something else. Nonetheless, it is still fun to analyze what he is saying when he pretends to be wearing his [...]
Sunday ~ January 31st, 2010 at 3:42 pm
Excessive Government Control of Free Markets? « Larry Fry's Blog Entries
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Monday ~ February 1st, 2010 at 2:12 am
健康・一番 » Blog Archive » ヒブワクチン 新型インフルエンザのことなら
[...] John Cochrane's Response to Paul Krugman: Full Text « Modeled BehaviorVia Casey Mulligan, Cochrane responds to Krugman’s NYT Magazine piece. What follows below is the full text of Cochrane’s response. Mulligan linked to it as a Word Document. I felt it would have more presence of the blogosphere as html. … [...]
Sunday ~ February 7th, 2010 at 5:35 pm
健康・一番 » Blog Archive » 新型インフルエンザ 福島県の検索情報
[...] John Cochrane's Response to Paul Krugman: Full Text « Modeled Behavior健康・一番 » Blog Archive » 新型インフルエンザ 治療を調べました. [...] 山口・光市47NEWSall 26 news articles » John Cochrane’s Response to Paul Krugman: Full Text « Modeled Behavior… を予防 福島少子化相「不妊治療への保険適用めざす」 [. … [...]
Sunday ~ March 28th, 2010 at 5:29 am
健康・一番 » Blog Archive » ヒブワクチン 新型インフルエンザの真相
[...] John Cochrane's Response to Paul Krugman: Full Text « Modeled BehaviorVia Casey Mulligan, Cochrane responds to Krugman’s NYT Magazine piece. What follows below is the full text of Cochrane’s response. Mulligan linked to it as a Word Document. I felt it would have more presence of the blogosphere as html. … [...]
Tuesday ~ March 30th, 2010 at 5:00 am
健康・一番 » Blog Archive » 新型インフルエンザ Wikiの最新 NEWS
[...] John Cochrane's Response to Paul Krugman: Full Text « Modeled BehaviorThis is from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricardian_equivalence. “In simple terms, the theory can be described as follows. Governments may either finance their spending by taxing current taxpayers, or they may borrow money by ….. John Cochrane’s Response to Paul Krugman: Full Text « Modeled Behavior健康・一番 » Blog Archive » 新型インフルエンザ 治療を調べました. [...] 山口・光市47NEWSall 26 news articles » John Cochrane’s Response to Paul Krugman: Full Text … [...]
Friday ~ April 16th, 2010 at 7:14 pm
Robert M. Solow’s review of How Markets Fail, by John Cassidy « to compete with phrasemongers…
[...] This levelheadedness won’t be found in the bitter mudslinging between Paul Krugman and John Cochrane (NOTE: don’t read those links unless you have a lot of time on your hands and find it [...]
Saturday ~ April 17th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
健康・一番 » Blog Archive » ヒブワクチン 新型インフルエンザとは
[...] John Cochrane's Response to Paul Krugman: Full Text « Modeled BehaviorVia Casey Mulligan, Cochrane responds to Krugman’s NYT Magazine piece. What follows below is the full text of Cochrane’s response. Mulligan linked to it as a Word Document. I felt it would have more presence of the blogosphere as html. … [...]
Wednesday ~ May 26th, 2010 at 9:22 am
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Wednesday ~ May 26th, 2010 at 6:18 pm
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Sunday ~ June 13th, 2010 at 4:30 pm
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Wednesday ~ July 7th, 2010 at 8:02 am
A Response to Paul Krugman | The League of Ordinary Gentlemen
[...] “How Did Economists Get It So Wrong?“, attacking University of Chicago’s John Cochrane and others, was the “Hit Em Up” of economic policy [...]
Friday ~ August 20th, 2010 at 10:14 am
Dr S Deman
Beyond Neo-Classical Economics – Global Financial Crisis
Prof. Suresh Deman
Honorary Director & Visiting Professor
Centre for Economics & Finance
London, Japan & IGIDR India
UNEP/UNCTAD Consultant
Abstract
Current crisis is distinguished from previous ones and noneconomic measures like social ostracism rather than economic ostracisms have been suggested. Rather then relying on consumption-led growth it is explored whether any lessons can be learned from China’s strategy by focusing on investment-led growth in three phases: (i) Infrastructure spending, (ii) focus on rural areas to stimulate demand, and (iii) speeding up of economic growth in new regions, generating housing demand leading up to consumption led growth. This strategy made China a darling of both foreign direct investment and portfolio investment suggesting while the global equity markets were in turmoil, China has emerged as safe parking lot for the global funds.
In contrast to perfect competition, theoretically allows “Invisible Hand” to guide market to efficiency regardless of moral beliefs of the traders, noneconomic interference is important under adverse selection as it can be helpful instead of harmful. Dichotomy of government solutions introducing agency problem and the costly information problem that they solve by intervention will be addressed with probabilistic-strategic interaction to explain difference between complete and incomplete interbank markets leading to different outcomes.
I Introduction
A search of literature on the notion of contagion (see, Morris (1997), Morris, Rob and Shin (1995), Chwe (1998), Durlauf (1993), and Scheinkman & Woodford (1994)] reveals that the diagnosis and prognosis of economic and financial crises are mainly based on conventional wisdom of Neo-Classical theory or on Arrow-Debreu (A-D) framework incorporating rational expectations into the models. The criticism of A-D model by Herbert Simon, Jean-Jacques Laffont and John Romer is widely accepted due to bounded rationality, asymmetric information and imperfect credit markets. Earlier Joan Robinson also criticized neoclassical theories for its too restrictive assumptions. This leaves Random Walk no longer random and the assumption of “Invisible Hand”, nowhere seem to be working in correcting failing markets. Even if one incorporates the rational expectations character into the explanation, it might lead to an inefficient solution resulting in run on the Banks.
As to the suggested solutions to the crisis, it appears Communist Manifesto has become a bedside reading of many economists and politicians around the world in search for crash programs via economic boosts to achieve consumption led growth. Krugman and Davies in their persuasive analysis argued that the Asian crisis was largely a crisis of poor financial structure and inefficient institutions. But the present crisis is more serious. Financial institutions collapsed due to reckless lending, i.e., lending at subprime rate by self-certification and without checking affordability, which fueled Housing Bubble and Credit crunch and created Toxic assets, etc.
This paper attempts to distinguish the present crises from any other previous crises, for example, Latin American, Mexican, Tiger Economies (better known as Gang of Four), and Japan and offers a strategic explanation for current crises.
Paper explores, if there is any causal nexus between various causes like moral hazard, adverse selection or some idiosyncratic reasons or self contradictions of free market economy. Further, rather then relying on consumption-led growth, I explore whether it is possible to learn lessons from China’s strategy to overcome the crisis by focusing on investment- led growth in three phases; namely, (i) Infrastructure spending, (ii) focus on rural areas and the interiors to stimulate demand, and (iii) speeding up of economic growth in new regions, generating new sources of housing demand on the back of continued urbanization leading up to consumption led growth. This strategy made China a darling of both foreign direct investment and portfolio investment which clearly suggests while the global equity markets were in turmoil, China has emerged as parking lot for the global funds.
II. Causes of Financial Crises
Since the meltdown of financial markets began in 2008, 130 banks have failed in United States alone. To understand the dynamics of this crisis one has to look into retrospect. In 1980s and early 1990s, the United States witnessed 750 Savings and Loans Associations (some of which owned by Bush family) failing. SLAs specialized in accepting deposits and expanding residential mortgage loans. Deregulation in early 1980 under Regan-Thatcher ear allowed them to lend to increasingly risky borrowers who defaulted on the loans once housing bubbles busted. However, the SLA crisis remained local and with government support successfully rescued the depositors for just $120 billion in tax payers’ money.
In sharp contrast, the reasons identified for the US financial crisis engulfing the whole global financial and economic system boil down to a single cause relating to a complete failure of the financial market regulatory mechanism due to the complicity between the regulatory authorities and dubious financial institutions operating through “shadow financial economy” based on illegal speculative transactions of complex financial instruments, indirectly placing the risky mortgages on the balance sheets around the world. However, the moot point seems to be whether any lessons have been learnt from the crisis, and efforts made to revamp the global financial architecture by plugging the loopholes, or as it seems now, that again there is business as usual, as could be seen in the revival of risky financial dealings by the same financial institutions that were responsible to cause the global financial collapse. Defaults in housing market had significant impact on all those holding these derivatives.
In the housing market there are two classes of borrowers, prime and subprime and three types of Banks, Central & Commercial Banks (Federal Reserves, Bank of Scotland, RBI & State Banks) Retail Banks (SLA, Cooperative Banks & Building Societies) and Investment Banks (Lehman Brothers, JP Morgan, Gorman Sacks, City Group, etc). The former of borrowers exhibiting low risk of default due to good credit history and the latter high risk due to past defaults or low and unstable income. Banking regulations forbid commercial banks from lending to borrowers at subprime rates. Instead, brokers and mortgage companies who often are affiliated to banks and other prime lenders, lend them mortgages at an interest rates 2-3% higher than the interest rate in the prime market. Due to the economic boom in the housing market, residential subprime mortgages increased from less than $100 billion in 1995 to $1.5 trillion by 2006 and constituted 15% of total mortgages. On the other hand, Adjustable Rate Mortgage (ARM) loans increased from 28% of total subprime mortgages in 1998 to 50% in 2006. A key factor driving the expansion of mortgages was the ability of lenders to sell their mortgages to other shadow investment banks, such as Lehman Brothers, Goldman Sachs, Meryl Lynch, etc., which do not have enough capital and are not regulated by financial authorities like banks do. This insulated them from any default risk and emboldened them to court ever riskier borrowers, often without checking their sources of income.
A financial institution buying mortgages did not just hold them, but it packaged mortgages of varying risks and returns into a mortgage-backed security (MBS) and parceled it into bonds of smaller denomination of different seniority and returns. For example, consider an MBS backed by $20 million worth of mortgages. The institution would identify five levels of seniority with associated risk and return and issue 4,000 bonds of each type with face value of $1,000 each. The Bonds with the highest seniority rated as AAA by rating agencies would receive the lowest return and also bear the lowest risk of default. Higher the level of seniority bonds lower is the risk and would have the next lowest risk and return. Bonds with near the lowest level of seniority received junk rating. If there was a default on some of the mortgages underlying the MBS, the lowest seniority bonds would be the first to stop receiving returns. The securitization process thus produced some AAA rated bonds in which even commercial banks could lend although, otherwise forbidden from lending to borrowers at subprime rate.
The financial market took this process of securitization one step forward and a financial institution would take bonds of middle level seniority (BBB) belonging to different MBSs and packaged them into a collateralized debt obligation (CDO). This mechanism then would allow them to issue and sell secondary CDOs of different seniority and returns along the lines of bonds based on MBS. This was an indirect way to improve the ratings as Ratings agencies would give the secondary CDOs of highest seniority rating (AAA).
In accentuating the crisis, next stage is the leveraging of investments. For every dollar invested in MBSs, CDOs or other derivatives, Lehman Brothers borrowed $30 from market by selling short-term commercial paper. Since short-run interest rates were significantly lower than the return on mortgage-backed derivatives, it could service the debt on the commercial paper and still make a great deal of profit. However, as the housing market started declining, returns on the derivatives began to exhaust and this undermined the Lehman Brothers’ capacity to service and refinance the short-term debts. This contributed to its eventual default and it had a great deal of impact on the balance sheet of Lehman Brothers’ lenders who were holding commercial paper and thus made them vulnerable to more default. Further, the credit default swap (CDS) added an additional important dimension to the financial crisis that provided insurance against the risk of default in return for a premium. Those who were holding Lehman Brothers’ commercial paper could go to the American Insurance Group (AIG) and buy CDSs from it in case Lehman Brothers defaulted. In fact, even those not holding the commercial paper but wishing to bet against Lehman Brothers could buy such CDSs. As uncertainty kept on increasing, CDSs market exploded and reached over $50 trillion. Given Lehman Brothers’ default after defaults on other derivatives, AIG had to make good on CDSs worth multi-billion dollars. Mody had to make a downward adjustment in its credit rating, which necessitated an additional $14.5 billion in collateral, sealing fate of AIG. The sequence of events left all financial institutions unwilling to part with their liquid assets unless they need them to cover cash shortage caused by defaults on their assets.
They also began pulling out investments elsewhere including in the emerging market economies to raise cash. The financial markets were frozen completely and even firms selling cars, furniture and other durables goods found themselves out of lenders adding fuel to the fire.
On the demand side, in the 2000s, the adjustable rate mortgage (ARM) or variable rate (VR) loans (carried a lower teaser rate), in the first 2 to 3 years jumped to a much higher level, subsequently flourished. Borrowers counted on equity in buildings and credit during the low interest rate period and then replacing the ARM by a low fixed rate in the prime market. But this only worked during an economic boom. If house prices crashed, no equity is being accumulated, and the jump in the interest rate threw the borrowers into default as well.
The Wall Street hurricane thus reached the High Street and
given the derivatives traded globally, financial institutions in countries with weak regulatory system also became invested in them making the local crisis, a global crisis. However, the above Krugman, Pangaria and Reddy kind of analysis gives us a superfluous explanation of the crises as they do not seem to accept that the crises were systemic of the market economies rather than systematic.
III. Previous Crises and the Global Crises
The financial and banking crises have been around us for centuries and always either preceded or followed by changes in government policies. For example, during the great depression of 1929-1934 security market collapsed and the governments had to intervene in a big way to rescue the markets. Deregulation and liberalization started in early 1980s (better known as Reagan-Thatcher era of deregulation) which generated waves of takeovers across the world and a number of economies of Latin America, Mexico, and Asia were unable to cope with it and led to Latin American crisis of 1982-84, Mexican crisis of 1994-95, financial crisis of Japan in 1990s and the crisis of Tiger economies of 1997-98.
Tiger economies with the injection of large amounts of foreign investment capital, grew substantially between the late 1980s and early- to mid-1990s. They then experienced a financial crisis in 1997 and 1998. Some of the reasons for this period of financial turmoil included huge debt-servicing expenses and an inequitable distribution of wealth, as most of the wealth remained in the control of a few elite.
Current crises have puzzled many economists, statesmen and politicians all over the world since there is not unique reason which can explain the crises and therefore there cannot be a unique solution. The explanations do not seem to be consistent with either the view that financial crises are random events, unrelated to changes in real the era economy, for example, the Classical theories of “Mob psychology” or “Mass hysteria” e.g., Kindleberger (1978), or with the modern view that bank runs are self-fulfilling prophecies developed as “sunspot” phenomenon developed by Diamond and Dybvig (1983) and Bryant (1980). It is not consistent with an alternative view that financial crises are an inherent part of the business cycle as suggested by Mitchell (1941), Gorton (1988) and Allen and Gale (1998a). However, the foundation of most of the proposed solutions appears to be grounded in the Neo-classical or Keynesian framework which lacks correct theory of distribution, strategic interaction and rational expectations. Their analysis does not tell the readers how the nature and gravity of the present financial crises is different from any other previous crises. They do not mention underlying restrictive assumptions of their models explain the crises. In fact, most of the above models are based on complete information, rational expectations, excluding effect of international currency markets, identical consumers, homogenous consumption goods, constant aggregate demand for liquidity, enough liquidity in the banking system as a whole, every region take a small hit not to cause a global crisis, etc. Such analysis and explanation hides the self-contradictions and failure of the self correcting mechanism within market economic system (some like Krugman characterized the crises as Bush’s derangement syndrome). When one looks at the economic analysis of current crises, it reminds of Mrs. Joan Robinson’s characterization of Neo-classical explanation which she puts it very eloquently as follows:
“The economist’s case for free trade is deployed by means of a model from which all relevant considerations are eliminated by the assumption”.
The present crisis is definitely qualitative different from earlier crisis of Latin America, Mexico, Japan and Asia. Previous crises probably were not systemic cases for international economy and financial systems as a U.S and IMF intervention may have prevented them. However, the current crisis is systemic and more serious because it has been persisting for a long time since the economic depression of 1929-34. In fact, G20 and rest of the world have acknowledged that no individual country can make a difference. It has raised serious issues for the regulators and supervisors and the severity of crises can be gleaned by the fact that even all times enemies like, Russia, China, US and UK were forced to come together to look for solutions.
(i) CURRENT CRISES IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT BECAME SYSTEMIC
Current worldwide crises triggered in 2008 with the bubble burst in housing market although an announcement of 50 billon package to boost the mortgage marker in Western Europe signaled that worst was round the corner and meltdown of financial market began. Despite G20 frequent meetings in Washington, London and Pittsburgh and partial success from $1 billion ‘Cash for Clunkers’ package, results of electro-cardiograms of US & UK economies do not seem to be functioning very well. US Congress is asked for an additional $2 billon boost, unemployment rate in US is up by 9.5%, and gasoline prices reached $4-5 per gallon in spite of a decline in crude prices to $50 per barrel and trade deficit with China accumulating US Treasury Bonds worth US$ 790 billion. Similarly, unemployment rate in UK and Japan has increased by 9.6% (14 million) and 5.4% respectively and GDP declined by 2.5%.
Recently, UK Treasury Secretary pledged overall support to Royal Bank of Scotland (RBS) and said, it will remain “broadly the same” and the new deal would provide “better risk sharing and greater incentives to exit”. This measure would be the most cost effective to the public purse and the new deals were “better for the taxpayer, better for the banks and better for the economy”. The Treasury announced earlier that it would put another £25.5 billion into Royal Bank of Scotland and £5.7 billion into Lloyds Banking Group – over five times the cost of annual military operations in Afghanistan and Iraq. The Treasury Secretary claimed that the changes mean there will be more competition among high street banks and the taxpayer will get rid of about £300 billion of “toxic” liabilities. For the first time, he gave a rough idea about the quantum of toxic assets although like the WMBs he has yet to identify where these toxic assets are?
Shadow Chancellor, George Osborne argued that the Government measure would cost £2,000 per family which was a “new world record as the single biggest bail-out of any bank anywhere in the world”. He also accused the Chancellor with not even being prepared to put the full figure – £39.2 billion – before the Commons. This extra money comes a year after the Government spent £14.5 billion on shares in Lloyds and pumped £20 billion into RBS to prevent a collapse in the banking sector. The new money is part of a restructuring forced by European Union competition rules. RBS is selling branches in England and Wales, NatWest branches in Scotland, the Churchill and Direct Line insurance arm and parts of its investment banking business. Lloyds will offload branches in Scotland, Cheltenham & Gloucester branches, and the Intelligent Finance online business.
M2 Economics Unabated
Although India was not affected by the crises seriously as much as countries of G20 the prediction of economic growth has been somewhat intriguing as it has varied a great deal since the formation of UPA government under Congress Party leadership. Just after elections, Dr Manmohan Singh claimed to have 8-9% growth then Deputy Chairman, Dr Montek Singh estimated this to be 6.5%, then 7.5%, 8% and recently projected to 9%. Despite the fact, last Indian budget appeared to be an obituary rather than real hope of glorious fulfillment of election manifesto forecast of growth for Indian economy seems to follow a U-shaped curve contrary to all variations of conventional wisdom in economics. Regardless of rate of growth, India’s growth is going nowhere as it is driven by growth of energy intensive consumer durable goods and financial sector and very little growth in other sectors (e.g., agriculture) leading into emergence of two India, rich and poor. Mechanism which is causing this is: (i) output growth is higher than the growth in employment, (ii) efficiency, i.e., productivity growth, (iii) sensitivity of financial sector due to uncertainties of financial markets, and (iv) increasing disparities between profits and wages. Hence India’s growth strategy continues to accentuate inequalities of income and creating a unique demand pattern (a black hole). History of past financial crises has witness that some of the reasons for the period of financial turmoil included huge debt-servicing expenses and an inequitable distribution of wealth, as most of the wealth remained in the control of a few elite. Unfortunately, some consciously and the so-called left unconsciously caught into the Neo-Classical and Keynesian cobweb.
India is relying on the projects, which also include a national job guarantee plan and an urban renewal mission, to keep the economy ticking, rather than on a big new stimulus package. The sign of any real boost for stimulating the economy from the quagmire of worldwide recession is nowhere near a real recovery as there are no signs of stimulation in either investment or consumption demand. To add insult to plight of common recently Dr Choudhary, a Member of the Indian Planning Commission told the media that the medicine (a mere 5% fiscal stimulation) has cured the problem despite Bank of Scotland’s Chairman’s statement that, “UK economy is bumping along the bottom”. How one could think of a cure of Indian economy without the global recovery. In defence of this criticism, Dr Manmohan Singh & Dr. Montek Singh (M2- M Squared Economics), in a joint enterprise, relied upon the external help in case a further stimulation was needed, without realizing that the developed countries themselves are heading for a deep crisis. In fact, prior to eruption of global economic volcano, under the M2 – Economics programs backed by World Bank trained Economists (Dr Reddy, Dr Panagaria, Dr Chaudhary & others) claimed double digit growth of India economy, which had taken India into double digit inflation. Once again, India is well ahead of double digit inflation (over 18% increases in prices of basic consumption goods). Clearly, India hopes to ride out economic slowdown without a major stimulus package although India’s policy makers continued to suffer with the ‘Double digit growth obsessive compulsive syndrome’ due to China’s double digit growth in the past and recent remarkable recovery.
In layman terms, one can summarizes the crisis as follows: Too much borrowing by consumers, too much lending by banks and too much spending led to the cardio-arrest of banking & financial markets. In fact, most economies were shrinking (falling prices and decline in GDP) and it appears crash programs are crashing up. A lack of capital flows and inadequate financial structure would always signal financial trouble. Further, economies are now global and so are capital flows. But our regulatory structure still continues to remains regional and national. Despite outcry for globalization of markets our financial and accounting system remain different and unequal. I have summarized distinguishing characteristics of current crises with previous ones which are as follows:
• It is longest & deepest since the Great depression of 1929-34
• Delayed economic recovery, volatile oil prices
• uncertainties of financial markets;
• Competitive devaluations;
• Protectionist moves by US and other countries;
• Further institutional shocks, especially in banking systems;
• Problems in inter-bank markets;
• Political problems (witnessed in G20 submit in London);
• Japan, UK, US, France, Germany & many other countries (wide spread).
(ii) CURRENT CRISES AND ITS SIMILARITY WITH JAPANESE CRISIS
In the 1990s, Japan experienced a financial crisis after the bubble burst although the seeds of the crisis might have been sown during the financial deregulation in the 1980s before the formation of asset bubbles. When the gap between competitive pressures in the financial markets and a “convoy” style of banking supervision and regulation that, in effect, ensured the viability of the weakest banks became unsustainable, the crisis erupted. It may be argued that the crisis was accentuated by the formation and bursting of the bubble. It was an unprecedented crisis in terms of severity. The common features of the current financial crisis and the Japanese experience are as follows:
• Nature of the debt burden, asset values;
• State of Banking sector;
• Japanese/Asian exposure;
• Deflation, recession and shrinking (about 2.5-3.5%);
• Restructuring, especially in financial sector;
• Recovery packages (Got to be huge- Japanese lesson);
• Political factors.
If the above concise summary is correct then question arises why other members of G20 have not leaned any lessons from the Japanese crisis. Surprisingly, economists and politicians continued to engage in an exercise in naiveté to rely and advocate free trade, liberalization and globalization to rest of the world although they themselves now forced to adopt protectionist measures to avoid the present crises. However, as Professor Krugman (2009) pointed out there was a telling moment in 2005, at a conference held to honor Greenspan’s tenure at the Federal Reserve. One brave participant, Raghuram Rajan of the University of Chicago, surprisingly, presented a paper warning that the financial system was taking on potentially dangerous levels of risk. He was mocked by almost all present – including, by the way, Larry Summers, who dismissed his warnings as “misguided.”
IV Moral Hazard & Adverse Selection and the Global Crises
Credit market faces two main problems, namely, (i) moral hazard, (ii) adverse selection. First problem arise because the lenders are unable to observer borrowers choice (i.e., their credit worthiness) subconsciously or ignores it in the expectation of higher interest (subprime lending) consciously. Second, problem arises because of great deal of heterogeneity among borrowers. While the lenders might have a good idea of about average characteristics of the pool of potential borrowers (knows only the probability distribution of characteristics of borrowers), they may not have complete and prefect information about individual characteristic of borrowers (i.e., actual type of borrowers). This leads to a problem of adverse selection as the lenders are unable to distinguish between good borrowers and bad borrowers due to asymmetry of information.
A typical real world example of a bank loan is as follows: Suppose two borrowers came to bank for an unsecured loan of $20,000 to put a down payment on purchase of a house. Normally, Banks do not lend money to put a down payment on a mortgage and can lend only 3-4 times of borrower’s salary or income depending on the practice and policy at the relevant time. One borrower is prepared to pay 10% interest and the other 100%, which one should the lender chose? I will address this question in full paper.
VI. Stimulation Package and the Global Crises
Since late 2007 many countries of Western Europe and US have given economic boosts and introduced their strategies, initially to save the mortgage market (i.e. partial nationalization of financial sector), repeated stimulation packages (Cash for Clunkers, etc.) and the Financial Regulations Authorities have adopted tight financial regulations (i.e. plugging loopholes by swallowing poison pills) rather than conventional measures of laissez fair economy relying upon self-correcting mechanism underlying theories of “Random Walk” and “invisible Hand”. A Bar diagram 1 and Table 1 below summarize various stimulation packages and strategies for some G20 countries and China. The size of China’s stimulation package is over 4 trillion Yuan ($586 billion) or 13.3 percent of 2008 GDP over time frame of November 2008 to end of 2010. Rollout began in fourth quarter and strategic focus of the stimulation is 37.5 percent on roads, rail and water; 25 percent on post-earthquake reconstruction; 10 percent housing; 9.25 percent on rural infrastructure; 9.25 percent on economic upgrading; 5.25 percent on environmental protection; 3.75 percent on health and education. Although senior officials are pleased with initial impact; will watch data before deciding whether more is needed, there is a plan 2. In contrast to China, in India rollout started with 0.4% of GDP, which increased to 5% of GDP in the annual budget of 2009. The focus of the package is limited to fiscal measures to stimulate Industrial production and consumption demand by tax cuts and subsidies. Although domestic demand has not been affected seriously as in other advanced countries, banks have not been affected as much and on the contrary the slowdown provides an opportunity to invest in technology and diversify both regionally and globally and yet, banks are unwilling to lend, consumers are unwilling to spend and investors are unwilling to invest.” Although continuance of stimulus packages can be criticized for widening the fiscal deficit and crowding out private investment as government borrows more from the market, it is justified by the premise that minimizing slowdown is more important than crowding out private investments. Despite this there are no signs of more stimulus package to come except the Finance Minister said if more needed they would borrow from abroad without specifying from whom.
Bar Diagram 1
Many countries across the world are rolling out fiscal stimulus packages, hoping the tax payers’ funds will boost demand, limit unemployment and prevent a deeper downswing of economies. In submit of G20 leaders, US was pressing for a bigger boost from other member countries but EC countries said it has done enough unraveling a rift that made it difficult to produce a clear and convincing messages of unity. IMF officials said that discretionary fiscal stimulus so far amounted to around 1.8 percent of GDP for 2009 and 1.3 percent in 2010 at G20 level, short of the annual two percent that they would like to see. Discretionary stimulus package amounted to 2.0 percent of GDP in 2009, double the combined 1.0 percent discretionary stimulus of the four biggest European economies (Germany, Britain, France and Italy), according to IMF estimates which put China’s stimulus at 3.2% (13.3% in 2009) of GDP and Japan’s at 1.4% (2% in 2009) in 2008. The estimated impact was an aggregate G20 gain of anywhere between 0.4 and 1.3 percentage points of GDP in 2009, and 0.1-0.2 percent in 2010, though the impact of total fiscal expansion (including so-called automatic stabilizers) is 0.8-3.2 percent in 2010 and 0.1-0.9 in 2010. However, the realization falls short of estimated figures.
Strategies of G20 countries
United Sates UK Germany France Italy
Size: $787 billion, or about 5.5 percent of GDP.
Size: 20 billion pounds ($29 billion), over 1 percent of GDP.
Size: 81 billion Euros ($110 billion) officially for two packages, or 3.25 percent of GDP. Size: 26 billion Euros ($35 billion) , 1.3 percent of GDP
Size: circa 7.0 billion Euros ($10 billion), 0.4 percent of GDP
Timeframe: 2009-10 but tax cuts spread over several years. Timeframe: three years from late 2008. Timeframe: Two-year 2009-10. Timeframe: 2009 principally. Timeframe: 2009
Focus: $287 billion in tax breaks, $500 billion in spending projects and money for social programs. Focus: mainly on sales tax cut (12.5 billion pounds worth, but also includes three billion pounds of extra capital spending) Focus: First package (31 billion Euros) includes: a new lending program of up to 15 billion Euros for state development bank KfW; 3 billion for building renovations; 3 billion for infrastructure projects; 2 billion for transport investment; tax incentives to buy new cars and an increase in the amount that is tax deductable for house repairs. Focus: mostly public investment projects, also 1 billion Euros for car sector, 1.8 billion Euros for construction industry. Focus: tax breaks for poorer families, firms, fiscal incentives to buy cars, white goods, furniture
Rollout: signed into law in February. Obama has already told Treasury to get employers to reduce payroll withholdings.
Rollout: began last December
Focus: second package (50 billion Euros) includes: 18 billion Euros in investments; tax relief of 2.9 billion Euros in 2009 and 6.05 billion in 2010; measures to boost demand for cars worth 1.5 billion Euros; health insurance contributions will also be cut; the package also includes credit guarantees of up to 100 billion Euros to help firms survive the credit crunch
Rollout: Both approved by parliament and being rolled out Rollout: already in place
Extras: Separately, 6 billion Euros in loans to car makers PSA Peugeot Citroen and Renault; strategic investment fund (FSI) with 6 billion Euros, to invest in hardhit companies and already used in part for car parts manufacturer Valeo
Rollout: began January 2009
More to come? No sign of that.
More to come? Yes, more expected in April budget
More to come? No talk of it
More to come? Open question. Opp. calling for cons. stimulus. Econ Minister Christine Lagarde says important to work on existing package before a new plan is intro. More to come? No. Economy Minister Giulio Tremonti says he is skeptical of large stimulus programs. Recent announcements about project to build bridge to Sicily and promote home repairs have no figures/dates attached and no clear signal so far that new money involved.
COMPARISON OF CHINA & INDIA STIMULATION PACKAGES & STRATEGIES
Japan China India
Size: 12 trillion yen ($122 billion) in three stimulus packages, 2 percent of GDP. Size: 4 trillion Yuan ($586 billion), or 13.3 percent of 2008 GDP. Size: 61 billion $, or 5% 2009 GDP
Timeframe: current and next fiscal year, up to March 2010. Timeframe: Nov 2008 to end-2010. Time Frame: 2009-2010
Focus: payouts to individuals to boost consumption, job-support measures, tax breaks for housing mortgages. Focus: 37.5 percent on roads, rail and water; 25 percent on post-earthquake reconstruction; 10 percent housing; 9.25 percent on rural infrastructure; 9.25 percent on economic upgrading; 5.25 percent on environmental protection; 3.75 percent on health and education. Focus: Stimulation of Industrial production and consumption demand by tax cuts and subsidies.
Rollout: began October 2008, second, third packages being rolled out this month though some spending still pending formal parliament approval of state budget Rollout: began in fourth quarter of 2008. Rollout: Began with 0.4% in 2008 then it increased to 5% of GDP in 2009 after the elections.
More to come? Government seeking new stimulus measures with some ruling party lawmakers calling for spending of further 20-30 trillion yen More to come? Senior officials are pleased with initial impact; will watch data before deciding whether more is needed. More to come? No sign of that. Pranabda said if more needed would borrow from abroad. From whom and how?
In spite of many bottlenecks of recovery from global downturn, France and German economies showed some signs of recovery. However, partial success of some of these crash programs and economic boosts, quick recovery does not seem to be on the menu although claims have been made in the media that, “worst is over” or “financial crisis is bottoming out” or “no free fall in Global economy”, etc. Markets have yet to see what happens, when stimulation packages come to an end after 18 months or so and putting back VAT in January 2010.
VII. Conclusions
It is an irony IMF &WB under G8 leadership, at one time prescribed universal medicine of austerity programs for third world countries, now are openly advocating same measures for themselves. In fact, corporate leaders and politicians are talking in same tune stressing need for being sensitive to public mood to gain their confidence. In contrast, Mr. Subbarao, Governor of RBI opened up India’s financial sector without any mechanism to guard against the growth of a shadow financial economy in the country which primarily triggered the crisis at first place. Such measures appear to help the US and Western European economies more than the domestic market. Further, in course of slow recovery, most governments have to deal with inflation on a war scale. They have to increase interest rates and cut public spending to curb inflation, which is a dangerous thing to do.
There is a public outcry for a healthy banking industry to be supportive of international trade which drives wealth creation around the world for the benefit of developed and developing nations alike as one of Banking’s principal social purpose. It has been strongly suggested that compensation scheme should discourage inappropriate risk-taking and bonuses should be directly linked to the overall performance of the company as a whole rather based on profit and loss performance of any individual. However, contrary to pre G20 summit (at Pittsburgh) pronouncement by Lloyd Blankfein, Chairman and Chief Executive of Goldman Sachs and Stephen Green, Chairman of HSBC, recent windfall for Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan and CitiGroup tells a different story as corporate sharks are already claiming share of their pie for which the taxpayers via government have paid heavy price without the unknown benefit to them. In short, one can summarize that ‘socialization of losses and privatization of profits’ has become a norm in globalized markets.
In above background some nonconventional (i.e., noneconomic) remedial measures seems to make more sense to overcome adverse selection and moral hazard such as social ostracism rather than economic ostracisms. Steps are also taken to limit the size and operation of Banks and to avoid risk in future focus on recapitalization rather than on bonuses. In contrast to perfect competition, which theoretically allows an “Invisible Hand” to guide the market to efficiency, regardless of moral beliefs of the traders, noneconomic interference is important under adverse selection as it can be helpful instead of harmful. However, there appears to be dichotomy of government solutions introducing agency problem and the costly information problem that they solve by intervention and examine spread of crisis in a probabilistic model using non-cooperative and explain the difference between a complete and incomplete interbank market leading to different outcomes, i.e., local and global crises.
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Tuesday ~ February 15th, 2011 at 10:46 pm
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Wednesday ~ March 2nd, 2011 at 8:55 pm
Anthony Staines
I enjoyed reading this – very helpful. Two comments from a non-economist.
He writes “The challenge is how hard it is to write down explicit artificial economies with these ingredients, actually solve them, in order to see what makes them tick. Frictions are just bloody hard with the mathematical tools we have now.” I think this is the wrong approach, though I accept many economists seem to think exactly like this. We do not (yet) have the tools to study large groups of interacting agents in real economies, so we come up with toys, which are often poor guides to policy, and also reflect the ideology of those who make them (for example, Keynesian or not).
The second point is that we do in fact know what caused the crash. It was simple criminality, greed and stupidity, on a wide scale, very like the S&L crisis of twenty years earlier. Crime pays, to a point, so real societies have agents intended to make crime expensive. The amazing thing about the US subprime crisis is the lack of subtlety in those who perpetrated it. Madoff was a genius compared with most of these people. The not dissimilar Irish property catastrophe was perpetrated by even less smart people, on the whole.
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Friday ~ September 9th, 2011 at 12:53 am
Is it sick that I kind of want to see the Tea Party's plan put to work?? - Page 5 - Political Forum
[...] Here you go, another Keynesian-ish thinker burying Krugman in the mud of statist economics: http://modeledbehavior.com/2009/09/1…man-full-text/ Synosis- Krugman is a statist moron who does not consider all of the factors involved with central [...]
Saturday ~ September 10th, 2011 at 9:05 am
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Dr. C, that was week, and does not deserve a response.
How confused, defensive, and wrong.
Tuesday ~ September 20th, 2011 at 11:19 pm
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As Joan Robinson said of an earlier failure by economists, for the second time in a generation economists have nothing to say about what, to everyone except economists, is the most pressing economic problem of our time. Cochrane makes it three times The mainstream economics profession today is very much like the religious scholars who debated about how many angels could dance on the head of a pin. This question made perfect sense from within their scholastic world view but was totally irrelevant otherwise. So to Chochran’s “analysis.”
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Cochrane on Stimulus and Ricardian Equivalence « Modeled Behavior
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